XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.pri   
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   XPost: comp.sys.mac.advocacy   
   From: newyana@invalid.nospam   
      
   On 9/26/2024 5:33 AM, Chris wrote:   
      
   >>    They don't need to claim. It's already legal precendent.   
   >   
   > Only in the US. Fortunately in Europe we have data privacy laws that   
   > actually mean something.   
      
      Indeed. Civilized law serving the public is not on the horizon   
   in our plutocratic US system.   
      
   >> starting with the fine   
   >> by the French gov't last year because Apple was spying on   
   >> iPhone users without permission, for the purpose of targetted   
   >> ads...   
   >   
   > That was technical error about informing users appropriately; not that they   
   > were caught spying. It was also historical and had already been corrected.   
   >   
      "for illegally harvesting iPhone owners’ data for targeted ads without   
   proper consent."   
      
      Collecting data from iPhones is spyware. Consent implies that   
   people had a choice and could have said no....   
      
        What surprises me   
   more than the brazen tactics of these companies is the passivity of   
   the public in accepting that their computers, cellphones, cars, TVs,   
   doorbells and appliances are spying on them. It's turning into "Life as   
   a Service". (LaaS) A tech-addicted public no longer see themselves   
   as having rights. You imply that Apple has every right to rifle through   
   private data and that their only crime was in not filling out the proper   
   paperwork. This started out talking about Apple devotees not caring   
   about privacy. Well... :)   
      
       But it's not just Apple. Apple and Google are arguably the worst,   
   but MS are playing catch-up, turning Windows into a kiosk system   
   and introducing ads. It seems that MS are forever trying to figure out   
   how to fleece their customers as successfully as Apple, but they just   
   don't have the necessary charm.   
      
        I see Windows support questions like, "What's this icon on my taskbar   
   that showed up with the last update?" From people who have   
   already ceded control of their computer to Microsoft and passively   
   accept whatever MS forces on them. Yesterday I saw someone   
   trying to find PowerShell. It's on the Start Menu, but who can find   
   the Start Menu under all that crap? He had decided to use MS Search,   
   which basically puts Bing on the taskbar. He typed "shell" and it suggested   
   that he might want to look up Shelley Winters. At no point did this poor   
   soul ask himself: "What the hell am I doing using Bing to find a program   
   on Windows?!"   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)