XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.comp.issues.privacy   
   From: nospam@example.net   
      
   On Sun, 15 Dec 2024, Oliver wrote:   
      
   > On Sat, 14 Dec 2024 13:12:01 +0100, D  wrote   
   >>> I'm no lawyer so don't bring this thread to your next deposition, but the   
   >>> way I understand it is that the prosecution needs to prove you (and only   
   >>> you - not someone in the house whom they don't know) *distributed* the   
   >>> entire copyrighted movie, in its near entirety, to a person or persons.   
   >>   
   >> This is an interesting question, given that a lot of internet connections   
   >> are household connections. I assume that the legal eagles get past this by   
   >> simply shifting liability to the owner of the internet connection in case   
   >> of trying to pin point exactly who it is in the household who committed the   
   >> crime. But if in the US, they need the specific person, I can see how this   
   >> might make things a bit more complicated.   
   >   
   > I've read a dozen or so USA legal cases over time on torrenting and *all*   
   > of them require the person *distributing* the torrent to be identified.   
   >   
   > Not the ISP. Not the person who pays the bill. Not the people in the house.   
   > Not the cat. Not some guy sitting in a car outside the house. Nobody else!   
   >   
   > In the USA, copyright infringement of this type has to be proven beyond a   
   > doubt (by the judge or jury) to have been done by a specific named person.   
   >   
   > This is exactly why the DMCA sends letters to the ISP who then forwards   
   > those letters to the person paying the bill and leaves it at that.   
      
   Ahh, so that's how it works!   
      
   > It's up to the person paying the bill to act on those DMCA letters.   
   > Or not.   
   >   
   > Depending on the jurisdiction and type of infringement, there are up to   
   > about a half dozen elements in the USA which *all must be proven* to   
   > satisfy the claim on copyright infringement and identifying the person is   
   > not even *one* of them because that's a right afforded to everyone on the   
   > USA on all crimes.   
   >   
   > https://fairuse.stanford.edu/law/us-code/u-s-copyright-act/cop   
   right-infringement-and-remedies/   
   > https://www.minclaw.com/elements-copyright-infringement/   
   > https://www.fourriverslaw.com/blog/2024/elements-of-copyright-infringement/   
   > https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/infringement_%28of_copyright%29   
      
   Very interesting. Thank you very much for the links.   
      
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