XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.android   
   From: andys@nospam.com   
      
   Arno Welzel wrote on Sat, 21 Dec 2024 17:09:15 +0100 :   
      
   >> Your iOS device does almost nothing without logging into Apple's servers.   
   >   
   > "Almost nothing"?   
      
   Arno - I thought you knew something about Android.   
   I thought you were smart. Not stupid.   
      
   I even thought you knew more about Android than I do, Arno.   
   But I must have been wrong.   
      
   We're talking about the "walled garden" Arno. Even you should know that.   
      
   > Well - calling people on the phone is possible, taking   
   > pictures, listening to music stored on the device, checking the current   
   > time, using the calculator and *all* other apps which don't need an   
   > active internet connection to work...   
      
   Try logging out of your Apple account and then sharing files across devices   
   on your own LAN, Arno. Do that please BEFORE you respond 'cuz you can't.   
      
   > I would not call this "almost   
   > nothing". It's not less as with Android devices when you don't have   
   > internet access.   
      
   We're talking about the "walled garden" things you like, Arno.   
      
   Log out of your many Apple accounts (iCloud, Messages, FaceTime, AppStore,   
   etc.) and then *try* all those walled-garden things you love to do.   
      
   You can't do them without being logged in 24/7/365 Arno.   
      
   >> It's up to you, not me, to explain why you lied that you don't need to log   
   >> into Apple's servers to use the walled garden (such as to install apps).   
   >   
   > Installing apps and using Apple services is just a part of the device   
   > features. You also don't need Google services all the time to use an   
   > Android device.   
      
   C'mon. Even you, Arno, mut know that you do NOT need to have a Google   
   Account set up on Android to install apps and use Google Services.   
      
   If you don't know something that simple, then I gave you more credit for   
   understanding how Android works than I should have since you're a smarter   
   man than I am (or so I had thought).   
      
   What makes you think I need to add a Google Account to my phone, for   
   example, to check my email (even if it's a Google Email)? I don't.   
      
   What makes you think I need to add a Google Account on my phone to download   
   apps (even apps off the Google Play store)? I don't.   
      
   C'mon Arno. You're not that ignorant.   
   You must know that you *must* set up an iPhone with an account, right?   
      
   And you must know that no other operating system (except Apple's) requires   
   that account just to get the phone to do *anything* (yes, even make   
   calls!).   
      
   You can't be *that* ignorant of either Android or iOS, can you?   
      
   > But without *any* network connection *all* smartphones   
   > have limited functionality.   
      
   C'mon Arno. That's something so stupid that only Alan Baker would be   
   confused about the difference between being on the Internet and being   
   logged into a mothership mainframe server.   
      
   How can you NOT understand something so basic, Arno?   
      
   I thought you were smart, Arno?   
   I thought you knew the absolute basics Arno?   
      
   You don't seem to understand that being on the Internet is not the same   
   thing as logging into a mothership mainframe server account, Arno.   
      
   Look up the difference. Use something called "google" or "duckduckgo".   
   Ask "What is the difference between the Internet and logging into a   
   mainframe account on a mothership server on the Internet" for example.   
      
   Do that lookup BEFORE you respond Arno.   
      
   Because you sound stupid claiming that the Internet is the same thing as   
   logging into a mothership mainframe server account.   
      
   Every claim you made in this post was that of a stupid ignorant person,   
   Arno.   
      
   > So why do you consider this "almost nothing"   
   > when it comes to Apple devices?   
      
   Do you even realize that you can't even "make calls" on an iPhone until you   
   get on the Internet and log into Apple's mainframe servers, Arno?   
      
   Seriously.   
   Everything you've said shows you know NOTHING about iOS.   
      
   > Do Android devices also do "almost   
   > nothing" without internet connection and access to Google services, just   
   > because you can't access Google Play?   
      
   Arno. Seriously. I thought you knew something about Android.   
   Yet you know NOTHING about Android.   
      
   I don't have a Google Account set up on my Android phone, Arno.   
   I've *never* had a Google Account set up on my Android phone, Arno.   
      
   And I can do more than most people can do on my Android phone, Arno.   
   For you to claim otherwise simply means you know NOTHING about Android.   
      
   Stop making idiotic claims.   
      
   Being on the Internet is NOT the same thing as logging into Google   
   accounts. For you to claim they're equivalent is absurd, Arno.   
      
   Learn the DIFFERENCE between these two things BEFORE you respond, Arno.   
   1. The Internet   
   2. Logging into an account on the Internet   
      
   Why can't you discern there is a difference between those two things?   
   Talking to you is like talking to Alan Baker.   
      
   I thought you were smarter than he.   
      
   In your response, please explain what YOU THINK is the difference between   
   logging into a specific account on the Internet, and the Internet itself.   
      
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