XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.android   
   From: andys@nospam.com   
      
   Frank Slootweg wrote on 28 Dec 2024 14:34:35 GMT :   
      
   >> As I said - you can use it for phone calls. You only need to   
   >> "initialize" it when you want to use Apple services.   
   >   
   >   Yes, of course one can use an iPhone for phone calls (and SMS/MMS)   
   > without 'initializing' it with Apple (AppleID, etc.). If one couldn't,   
   > there would be no point donating 'old' iPhones to people in third world   
   > countries, etc..   
      
   Frank,   
      
   You are wrong.   
      
   You are wrong because initializing/activating an iOS device has NOTHING   
   whatsoever to do with the Apple ID (aka Apple Account).   
      
   None of you appear to UNDERSTAND there is a difference.   
      
   Try this:   
   a. Buy a brand new iPhone   
   b. Try to use it (e.g., to make a phone call)   
      
   You can't.   
      
   First you have to "activate" (aka "initialize") it.   
   Then you can make phone calls.   
      
   Guess what you have to CONNECT to in order to activate/initialize it,   
   Frank?   
      
   Take a wild guess.   
      
   Only *after* you've initialized/activated it, can you even begin to make   
   the decision of whether or not you want to add an Apple Account to it.   
      
   No other consumer platform requires the Internet just to begin to work.   
      
   Apple murdered privacy.   
      
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