XPost: comp.mobile.android, uk.telecom.mobile
From: Jeff@invalid.invalid
On 08/03/2025 03:06, Marion wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Mar 2025 10:14:22 +0000, Jeff Layman wrote :
>
>
>> Unfortunately, most people have a Google account and automatically log
>> on when they get a new phone (if for no other reason than to transfer
>> all their old phone info to the new one via a Google backup).
>
> Hi Jeff,
>
> You taught me a lot in the past, and below, I see you taught me more.
> That's good as we can each learn from others so we know everything we can.
I only know what I can read from an internet search!
> I've asked why people put a Google Account on the phone in the past, and
> mostly I get two answers, neither of which is what I'd do but I understand.
>
> a. Most people just don't think - they don't both to hit the "skip" option
When I got my Android phones I didn't know any better (although it's not
/my/ Google account being used with the phones - I don't have an
account). I think most users don't know any better. I soon realised that
I shouldn't use the phone for anything that required privacy. I've never
used it to buy anything or use a banking app, etc.
> b. Some people want the "convenience" of being 24/7/365 connected to Google
>
> I get it. But then those people should never complain that they "can't"
> have privacy. It's ok for them to complain that they "don't" have privacy.
>
> But "can't" is very different from "don't".
>
> Me?
> I can have privacy from Google in terms of what this thread is about.
> I don't have a Google Account set up on my phone.
>
> If there's anything other people can do with that Google Account set up on
> the phone that I can't do without that account being set up, let me know.
>
> Note: Having a Google Account & having it set up on the phone are different
> things that a lot of people seem to thing are the same - but they're not.
Well, yes, but I wonder, for example, if using something like a gmail
account would be enough to identify that person as a Google account
holder even if that Google account isn't specifically used with the
phone, only the gmail account.
> You can still get all the apps off of the Google Play Store repo without a
> Google Account set up on the phone, just like you can get all your Google
> Mail you want without an account on the phone, just like YouTube, etc.
>
>> If you want to be free from Google, probably the way to go is Sailfish,
>> Pure, or Pine.
>
> I think the *simplest* way to be "free from Google" is to hit the "skip"
> button when you set up a phone, or, hit the "delete" button in settings.
Even when using GrapheneOS, LineageOS, etc can you be /certain/ you're
free of Google's tentacles? See my other reply to you in the thread
concerning showcase.apk backdoor. Yes, I see that Graphene OS has
covered this (see
),and
have tended to debunk it as an issue as physical access is (probably)
required to turn it on but there are still unanswered questions, such as
what /else/ might be there?
> However, to address "Sailfish", "Pure" & "Pine", looking them up, is this a
> good characterization of what they are in terms of what you're suggesting?
>
> Sailfish OS:
> A Linux-based OS developed by Jolla that runs only some Android apps.
>
> PureOS:
> A Debian-based privacy OS developed by Purism that runs its own apps only.
>
> PinePhone:
> An open phone developed by Pine64 that runs Sailfish OS (& other OS's).
Basically they are all Linux-based OSs (as, up to a point, is Android
itself!). Whether or not any prospective user is going to accept a lower
level of usability for a higher price is a something only they can answer.
> Thanks for bringing them up, but as with those who say "there is no
> privacy" on Android who also have a Google Account set up on Android,
> naturally I disagree that we have to go "that far" to get some privacy.
Every bit of privacy helps, but the only way to be fairly sure is to use
a non-Android based OS.
--
Jeff
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