XPost: comp.mobile.android, uk.telecom.mobile   
   From: dave@g4ugm.invalid   
      
   On 10/03/2025 11:34, Marion wrote:   
   > On Mon, 10 Mar 2025 10:02:36 +0100, David Wade wrote :   
   >   
   >   
   >>> For every Google app, there's a FOSS privacy-aware replacement, which is   
   >>> *more secure*, so I must take umbrage at your claim that it's less   
   >>> secure.   
   >>   
   >> Because such apps receive less scrutiny from the "ethical hacker"   
   >> community, and have much less use, I would argue that they are more   
   >> liable to contain security vulnerabilities than googles code and so be   
   >> more vulnerable. One has to balance this with reward, so as they are   
   >> lightly used when compared to google they are less likely to be   
   >> targetting by hackers...   
   >   
   > Well, I get your point that you feel Google must have the best coders in   
   > the world, but we're weighing privacy here, where Google's coders aren't   
   > likely all that worried about our privacy - whereas the coders for, oh,   
   > say, FairEmail, Aurora & NewPipe & Bromite (just to name a few) are.   
      
   Not at all, what I said was that googles code gets more external   
   scrutiny. It has a bug finders program that pays out to those who find   
   bugs and security vulnerabilities, which is why we found the "DSID"   
   cookie. The others don´t have this...   
      
      
   >   
   > Again, I'm not annoyed by anyone who says "I don't have privacy from Google   
   > because I don't know what I'm doing so I do whatever Google tells me to   
   > do"; but it bothers me when someone says they "can't" have privacy from   
   > Google - because you can.   
   >   
      
   You can, but it takes a lot of work to duplicate all the things google   
   does, and for most people they may miss something important, like a find   
   my phone app,   
      
      
   > Just ditching the Google apps that those five open source replacements   
   > replace alone, plus ditching the Google Account set up on the phone alone   
   > provides tremendous privacy from Google - and you *gain* functionality.   
   >   
      
   what funcionality do you gain?   
      
      
   >>> But I do agree with you that the easy way out is to just log into a   
   >>> Google   
   >>> Account; however, I wonder if people realize their phone actually works   
   >>> better without it?   
   >>   
   >> Really? How so?   
   >   
   > Um... everyone knows that... FairEmail is more functionality than the   
   > GMail app is.   
   > Aurora is more functional than the Google Play Store app is.   
   > NewPipe is more functional than the Google YouTube app is.   
   > Bromite functional than the Chrome browser app is.   
   >   
   > If they don't know that, then they know nothing about privacy.   
   > And therefore, they're not qualified to say you "can't" have privacy.   
   >   
   > All they are qualified to say is that they do exactly what Google tells   
   > them to do, and as a result, they "don't" have any privacy from Google.   
   >   
   >> How can for example having to copy my contacts every time I save one   
   >> be "better". I should have that I do own more than one PC so keeping   
   >> the whole lot in sync? Export and re-import into my house voip phone?   
   >   
   > I manage my contacts database outside the default sqlite location and I   
   > have no problem managing them. But then I know how Android works so I have   
   > an advantage over most people who do not know how Android manages contacts.   
   >   
   >> Then the calendar/diary. When I book an appointment in the dentist its   
   >> in my google calendar on all my PCs.   
   >   
   > I have no problem managing my calendar either. What makes you think only   
   > Google knows how to create a calendar app?   
   > I think you're confused since you seem to think that the "cloud" is an app.   
   >   
      
   I don´t. In fact I use Thunderbird on my PC, BUT I need calendars I can   
   share with other people who use google calendars.   
      
   > But I do get your point which is if you do EXACTLY what Google tells you to   
   > do, Google has everything all figured out for you. And that's easy for you.   
   >   
   > Because you don't have to think.   
   > And not thinking has an immense value for you, which I get is useful.   
   >   
   > Me? I prefer to think about what's the best way to manage contacts &   
   > calendars.   
   >   
      
   Perhaps you are not blessed with a wife with an iPad addiction.   
      
   > But I've been in computers since the sixties and you might be a young kid.   
   > Young kids don't have any concept of thinking about how to do things.   
   >   
      
   I started on Fortran II as my first high level language...   
      
      
   > They just do whatever the marketing people tell them to do.   
   > Without even thinking about what the implications are   
      
      
   No , I think they don´t see the extra privacy invasion as a privacy   
   invasion. A few people opting out isn't going to reduce googles   
   knowledge base about me by much.   
      
   Dave   
      
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