XPost: comp.mobile.android, uk.telecom.mobile   
   From: marion@facts.com   
      
   On Mon, 10 Mar 2025 10:02:36 +0100, David Wade wrote :   
      
      
   >> For every Google app, there's a FOSS privacy-aware replacement, which is   
   >> *more secure*, so I must take umbrage at your claim that it's less secure.   
   >   
   > Because such apps receive less scrutiny from the "ethical hacker"   
   > community, and have much less use, I would argue that they are more   
   > liable to contain security vulnerabilities than googles code and so be   
   > more vulnerable. One has to balance this with reward, so as they are   
   > lightly used when compared to google they are less likely to be   
   > targetting by hackers...   
      
   Well, I get your point that you feel Google must have the best coders in   
   the world, but we're weighing privacy here, where Google's coders aren't   
   likely all that worried about our privacy - whereas the coders for, oh,   
   say, FairEmail, Aurora & NewPipe & Bromite (just to name a few) are.   
      
   Again, I'm not annoyed by anyone who says "I don't have privacy from Google   
   because I don't know what I'm doing so I do whatever Google tells me to   
   do"; but it bothers me when someone says they "can't" have privacy from   
   Google - because you can.   
      
   Just ditching the Google apps that those five open source replacements   
   replace alone, plus ditching the Google Account set up on the phone alone   
   provides tremendous privacy from Google - and you *gain* functionality.   
      
   >> But I do agree with you that the easy way out is to just log into a Google   
   >> Account; however, I wonder if people realize their phone actually works   
   >> better without it?   
   >   
   > Really? How so?   
      
   Um... everyone knows that...   
    FairEmail is more functionality than the GMail app is.   
    Aurora is more functional than the Google Play Store app is.   
    NewPipe is more functional than the Google YouTube app is.   
    Bromite functional than the Chrome browser app is.   
      
   If they don't know that, then they know nothing about privacy.   
   And therefore, they're not qualified to say you "can't" have privacy.   
      
   All they are qualified to say is that they do exactly what Google tells   
   them to do, and as a result, they "don't" have any privacy from Google.   
      
   > How can for example having to copy my contacts every   
   > time I save one be "better". I should have that I do own more than one   
   > PC so keeping the whole lot in sync? Export and re-import into my house   
   > voip phone?   
      
   I manage my contacts database outside the default sqlite location and I   
   have no problem managing them. But then I know how Android works so I have   
   an advantage over most people who do not know how Android manages contacts.   
      
   > Then the calendar/diary. When I book an appointment in the dentist its   
   > in my google calendar on all my PCs.   
      
   I have no problem managing my calendar either. What makes you think only   
   Google knows how to create a calendar app?   
      
   I think you're confused since you seem to think that the "cloud" is an app.   
      
   But I do get your point which is if you do EXACTLY what Google tells you to   
   do, Google has everything all figured out for you. And that's easy for you.   
      
   Because you don't have to think.   
   And not thinking has an immense value for you, which I get is useful.   
      
   Me?   
   I prefer to think about what's the best way to manage contacts & calendars.   
      
   But I've been in computers since the sixties and you might be a young kid.   
   Young kids don't have any concept of thinking about how to do things.   
      
   They just do whatever the marketing people tell them to do.   
   Without even thinking about what the implications are.   
      
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