XPost: comp.mobile.android, uk.telecom.mobile
From: marion@facts.com
On Sun, 16 Mar 2025 11:34:40 +0000, Nick Finnigan wrote :
>>> But how do you install from google play store without signing in to a
>>> Google account on the phone ?
>>
>> Aurora Store uses the Play Store app catalogue with an 'anonymous' pool
>> Google account.
>>
>> It doesn't count as 'installed from Play' for Play Integrity checks, but is
>> otherwise functionally equivalent.
>
> Possibly, but that is not just hit the "skip" button.
>
> (Play store does seem to allow updates without an account).
Good ideas both of you. I'm impressed by your inquisitiveness & acumen.
These are good questions, and a good answer, although there's more to the
story since I have Google Play Store uninstalled from the user partition.
It's also a sign of good critical analysis capabilities, which I admire.
Very few people, maybe one out of a million, can answer what you just did.
Here's my quick assessment (in one line each) of the answers given above:
1. The Aurora pooled anonymous login account answer was correct.
2. The Aurora explanation that it scrapes the Google repo was correct.
3. The Play Store integrity checks answer was not correct (AFAIK).
4. The Play Store update observation was partially correct (see below).
5. Specifically, nobody realizes how *bad* the Google Play Update is!
6. The observation about the "skip" button was spot on the money!
Below is a more detailed assessment of the answers provided, where I'm
impressed at not only the answers, but the attempt at learning more.
Good for you; and good for everyone, as Android knowledge is lacking in
this world where most people "assume" too much & as a result, know nothing.
When I last did the research, it turned out that the so-called "integrity
checks" happen, no matter what, with or without the Google Play Store app.
Yes, an "activity" for the so-called "integrity checks" shows up *inside*
the Google Play Store GUI, but the integrity checks are a completely
separate system-wide undeniable action completely outside the app itself.
Even Google will tell you that since Google says *every* package is checked
daily and *every* APK is checked, no matter where it comes from, upon
initial installation (which is how "sideloaded" apps also get checked).
With respect to updating apps, the Aurora Store updates apps if you want it
to, just as F-Droid Basic does (if you bother to use it, which I don't
since you can use a PC web browser to obtain all your F-Droid apps).
But most people don't have any clue how *bad* the Google Play Store update
is, which, always amazes me that people *assume* it updates all the apps.
The Google Play Store updates almost nothing, it turns, out, which we've
proven in the past by comparing all the apps that "can" be updated versus
the apps that the (almost laughably incomplete) Google Play Store app
updates. It's shocking, actually, that nobody tests this stuff like I do.
Suffice to say anyone who is relying on the Google Play Store "update"
mechanism, has absolutely no idea of how that mechanism actually works.
If you really want all the apps updated that can be updated, there are
plenty of system-wide open source updaters, which actually do that task.
As for the observation that the "skip" button solves the DSID problem, but
not every problem, that's an example of critical thought processes. Good.
Yes. Sure, the DSID cookie is emasculated without signing into a system
wide Google Account on the phone, but in order to have twice as much
functionality without Google on the phone as with, you need the 1:1 apps.
As an example of where you get not twice, but ten or one hundred times the
functionality of the Google Play Store search, try this free app for me.
Note: I get that app for free, but my phone is set up without a google
account, so I don't know what happens if someone with an account gets it.
Let me know.
--- SoupGate-DOS v1.05
* Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)
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