XPost: comp.mobile.android, misc.phone.mobile.iphone   
   From: marion@facts.com   
      
   On Fri, 5 Sep 2025 04:51:28 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :   
      
      
   > On both platforms, Firebase in the Lyft app can still send analytics and   
   > usage data to Google even if Google account tracking is turned off. iOS may   
   > give more up-front warnings and require disclosure, but neither OS blocks   
   > this by default.   
   >   
   > Let me dig deeper into figuring out the differences for badgolferman.   
      
   Aurgh. It's complicated. Sometimes Android is better. Sometimes it's iOS.   
      
   iOS has some advantages in this Lyft and Firebase situation as iOS shows   
   more privacy prompts by default, has App Tracking Transparency to block   
   certain cross-app tracking, and requires developers to submit a privacy   
   manifest that discloses what SDKs like Firebase collect before the app is   
   approved in the App Store.   
      
   However, iOS does not block analytics that happen entirely inside a single   
   app and are sent to a server. That means Firebase can still collect usage   
   data from Lyft unless Lyft itself disables it. That mandatory iOS privacy   
   manifest is only a disclosure requirement, not a technical block.   
      
   It turns out that Android has some advantages too. The Google Play store   
   has a Data Safety section where developers must declare what they collect,   
   and Android offers privacy indicators for microphone and camera use plus   
   location precision controls. Power users can inspect or even modify apps by   
   sideloading, which we know iOS does not allow without jailbreaking.   
      
   Note: See my thread on Android showing Google is copying Apple's tricks.   
    From: Marion    
    Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android   
    Subject: Google getting more and more like iOS   
    Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2025 03:32:52 -0000 (UTC)   
    Message-ID: <108j9t3$2s44$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>   
      
   The downside for Android is that its defaults are more permissive toward   
   background data collection, Firebase is deeply integrated into the Google   
   ecosystem, and there is no OS-level enforcement like Apple's privacy   
   manifest before store approval.   
      
   In short, the court apparently determined that on both platforms Firebase   
   in the Lyft app can still send analytics and usage data to Google even if   
   Google account tracking is turned off. iOS may give more warnings and   
   require disclosure, but neither operating system blocks this by default.   
      
   Sigh. We're screwed. :)   
      
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