XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.android   
   From: marion@facts.com   
      
   On Sat, 6 Sep 2025 11:15:45 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :   
      
      
   >>> The biggest privacy boost in GrapheneOS, much like with iOS, is that it   
   >>> does not include Google Play Services by default, so there is no automatic   
   >>> data sharing with Google.   
   >>   
   >> After having answered earlier today, I belatedly realized that might not   
   >> matter if the data goes from Lyft to Google servers, even with GrapheneOS.   
   >>   
   >> So let me rephrase the answer to Jeff's question as "hell if I know".   
   >> Maybe others with experience on GrapheneOS & LineageOS can add value?   
   >>   
   >> It's pretty bad though that hundreds of thousands of iOS/Android apps are   
   >> uploading our data to Google servers without us knowing that's happening.   
   >>   
   >   
   > So considering privacy has always been your topmost issue, how does this   
   > revelation affect your championing of Android over iOS? Does a greater lack   
   > of privacy still trump less functionality?   
      
   Hi badgolferman,   
      
   Heh heh heh.... I love you. But even you don't fully understand me. :)   
      
   My motives are pure. Fact based. Logical. Reasonable. Sensible. Rational.   
      
   This isn't an "us versus them" datapoint unless you could find something   
   absolutely toxic in Android that iOS didn't have (which hasn't happened).   
      
   The sad fact is iOS is a brain-dead operating system that can't do half of   
   what Android does, so it's a no brainer what my daily drive (DD) device is.   
      
   Using iOS devices (which you know I do) is like living inside a prison.   
   You have to check in with the warden ten times a day when you're on iOS.   
      
   Almost every time I touch an iOS device, I'm appalled at how crappy it is.   
   Apple designed it for people who don't actually do anything useful on it.   
      
   Given that extreme lack of privacy on iOS and the fact you have to ask the   
   warden for permission to go to the bathroom, iOS will never be my DD.   
      
   However, that doesn't mean that I'm "happy" with Android, as just last   
   night, for example, I wrote a failed tutorial trying to add privacy.   
    From: Marion    
    Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android,alt.privacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10   
    Subject: Privacy: I tried to switch Android WebView to Bromite WebView   
    Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2025 05:35:04 -0000 (UTC)   
    Message-ID: <109gh68$234a$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>   
      
   There is no privacy on Android just as there is no privacy on iOS.   
   But there's a *chance* for privacy on Android - which doesn't exist on iOS.   
      
   Having said that, there are two things about privacy I can say are good   
   about iOS but they alone do not mean that iOS is "more private".   
      
   1. iOS does not create a Google Account when you use Google Voice   
      (so, as a results, I never use GV on Android; I use it on iOS)   
   2. iOS, apparently, is "slightly better" than Android in protecting   
      you from Google Analytics (which is the topic of this thread).   
      
   However, I can already tell you that iOS is vastly less private than   
   Android in many other ways, not the least of which is you must log into   
   your AppleID periodically - and if you do not - ask me how I know this - if   
   you do not - after a period of time - Apple will brick your iOS device.   
      
   Then - and again - ask me how I know this - then you MUST walk into an   
   Apple Store and produce your government ID (no other ID is accepted!) to   
   prove who you are just so that Apple will let you log into your device.   
      
   You know I speak fact, badgolferman.   
      
   I'm a bit disappointed that you think a single minor issue such as this one   
   would suddenly make iOS palatable to someone who knows iOS all too well.   
      
   But it's good that you bring it up so that we can discuss it as adults.   
      
   In summary, I own iOS and Android devices, and in terms of privacy, there   
   are a couple of places where iOS is more private than Android is.   
      
   I use the iOS devices daily for those things (e.g., Google Voice).   
      
   As for the topic of this thread, I hope Google eventually loses their   
   appeals so that those hundreds of thousands of apps which directly upload   
   our data to the Google Servers without us knowing about it, disappear.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)