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|    Privacy: How to decouple GPS navigation     |
|    06 Nov 25 21:25:22    |
      From: mariond@facts.com              Privacy: How to decouple GPS navigation from cellular geolocation.              In other words, how to decoupled GNSS navigation from tower geolocation.       This "trick" forces Google Maps to runs with satellite-only positioning.              Hotspot phone:        Exposes only tower metadata + IP, but no GNSS/location apps.       Privacy phone:        Exposes only GNSS fixes, with traffic masked behind the hotspot's IP.                      Both phones are set to:        Wi-Fi scanning: OFF        Bluetooth scanning: OFF        Google Location Accuracy: OFF        No Google account and Location History: OFF              With these settings, the location teardrop tile state affects:       a. Whether apps can use GPS for location       b. But we have to have "Use precise location" on for each app to use GPS              With these settings, the cellular data tile affects       a. Just that the IP address can be geolocated              With these settings, the Wi-Fi tile state does not change       a. What's uploaded to Google (i.e., zero Wi-Fi APs)       b. What's used for location (i.e., zero Wi-Fi APs)       c. But if it connects to open access points, it can be geolocated              So turn off any capacity to accidentally connect to open APs        Settings > Connections > Wi-Fi > 3dots > Intelligent Wi-Fi        Switch to mobile data = on (affects data geolocation)        Switch to better Wi-Fi networks = on (affects wifi geolocation)        Turn WI-FI on/off automatically = off (grayed out)        Detect suspicious networks = on <== warning for open networks!              Settings > Connections > Wi-Fi > 3dots > Advanced settings        Network notification = off (ignore requests from open networks)        Manage networks (forget any open networks you've ever joined)              Unfortunately, on Android 13, you cannot selectively disable       cell-tower-based location while still using the cellular network.       a. The cellular tile will allow cell-tower fused location              We can disable Wi-Fi and Bluetooth scanning, but there's no       equivalent toggle for disabling cell tower scanning other than       turning off the cellular voice tile (which isn't practical).              The only trick I can think of is to have two phones in the car.       a. Privacy phone (cellular data & cellular voice turned off)       b. Hotspot phone (serving a hotspot over cellular data)              In this case, Google Maps on the privacy phone sees only GNSS-based       location and the cellular IP of the hotspot phone. Google Maps on       the privacy phone cannot see cell-tower IDs.              In summary, the privacy advantage of the two-phone system is that       a. There is no cell tower geolocation possible on the privacy phone        Because its cellular radio is OFF, it never registers with towers.        That means no tower IDs are available for coarse location.       b. Location is purely GNSS (satellites) + on-device sensors.       c. Google sees the hotspot phone's cellular IP address              The advantage is that you decouple navigation from cellular geolocation.       a. Google Maps on the privacy phone sees only satellite-based location        and the hotspot's geolocatable IP, not tower IDs.       b. This setup prevents tower-based location leaks on the privacy phone        while still giving the privacy phone navigation app internet access.       c. Google Maps sees the hotspot phone's cellular IP address as the source              The hotspot phone is essentially just a data pipe whose location services       don't feed into the privacy phone's GNSS-only navigation.              GNSS navigation is isolated on one device, while tower metadata stays on       the other. Both are never fused into the navigation session.       --       This is a trick. I don't expect people to do it. But it should work.       It decouples GPS location from cellular data location on Android 13.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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