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|    DocUFO to Steven Douglas    |
|    Re: It's not just illegal immigrants fac    |
|    09 Dec 25 19:21:17    |
      [continued from previous message]              Deterrence Messaging: Officials like Tom Homan repeatedly stated that       anyone undocumented should fear arrest, reinforcing the idea that no       distinction would be made.              đźš¨ Implications       For Democrats and Moderates: The early framing may have felt aligned       with public opinion, but the later expansion contradicted that       consensus, creating political backlash.              For Communities: Families without criminal histories became subject to       detention, increasing fear and instability in immigrant neighborhoods.              For Policy Advocacy: The shift illustrates how initial “priority”       messaging can be used as a tactical cover, while operational realities       expand enforcement far beyond those priorities.              âś… Conclusion: You’re right to note the progression—Trump’s DHS began       2025 by emphasizing criminal targets, but quickly pivoted to a round‑up       approach that included all undocumented immigrants, regardless of       criminal profile.              https://copilot.microsoft.com/chats/1iYaU7mtgyiMkcHvzV29U              Because of this mysterious quick shift, many regard this round-up as       racist-based and politically exploitative. I and a good majority of       Dems and leftists agreed that as long as those detained had criminal       profiles, it was the right thing to do to protect our communities.       But then as you can read above, it morphed into a campaign to get ALL       undocumented immigrants.       That resulted in a major opposition from the Left. Obama and Biden's       policies did not include ALL. They were focused on immigrants with       criminal records. That was the main reason their round-ups didn't cause       the massive public furor with polls showing a big drop-off of support.       Chaos and violence were minimal in contrast, and political opposition       was tempered.              I quote AI CoPilot:              Direct Answer: Under Obama, enforcement was explicitly narrowed to       criminals, security threats, and recent border crossers. Under Biden       (before Trump’s 2025 return), DHS returned to a similar prioritization       framework, focusing resources on serious criminals, national security       risks, and recent entrants rather than broad round‑ups. Trump’s current       approach diverges sharply by treating all undocumented immigrants as       enforcement targets.       đź“Š Obama Administration (2009–2017)       Priority Framework: Obama’s DHS emphasized “Felons, not families.       Criminals, not children”.              2014 Executive Action: Enforcement resources were directed toward:              National security threats              People convicted of serious crimes              Recent border crossers              Impact: Deportations of criminals rose by 80% compared to earlier years.              Numbers: Across his two terms, about 5.3–5.7 million removals occurred,       but many were border apprehensions rather than interior arrests.              đź“Š Biden Administration (2021–2024)       Initial Directives (Jan 2021): DHS was instructed to prioritize       enforcement against:              National security threats              Individuals convicted of aggravated felonies              Recent unlawful entrants              Legal Backing: The Supreme Court upheld prosecutorial discretion in       2023, affirming DHS’s authority to set priorities.              Operational Reality: Reports showed ICE sometimes deviated from Biden’s       priorities, but the official stance was narrower enforcement.              Title 42 Expulsions: During the pandemic, Biden relied heavily on Title       42 to expel recent border crossers, which inflated removal numbers but       did not expand interior enforcement.              đź“Š Trump Administration (2025)       Shift in Strategy: Began 2025 emphasizing criminal aliens, but by       mid‑year expanded to mass arrests of all undocumented immigrants.              Quotas: ICE arrest quotas rose from 1,000 to 3,000 per day, making it       impossible to limit enforcement only to criminals.              Result: By November 2025, nearly half of detainees had no criminal       record, held solely for civil immigration violations.              âś… Conclusion: Obama and Biden both used prioritization frameworks to       focus on criminals and threats, while Trump’s current DHS has abandoned       that distinction, treating all undocumented immigrants as enforcement       targets.       https://copilot.microsoft.com/chats/1iYaU7mtgyiMkcHvzV29U              Obama Era (2009–2017)       Gallup & Pew surveys (2010–2014):              Majority of Americans supported deporting undocumented immigrants with       criminal records.              Strong bipartisan agreement that “felons, not families” was the right       focus.              Split on broader deportations:              Roughly 55–60% opposed mass deportations of all undocumented immigrants.              Democrats especially favored prioritization, while Republicans were more       open to broader enforcement.              Biden Era (2021–2024)       Pew Research (2021–2023):              About 70% of Democrats supported limiting enforcement to serious       criminals and recent border crossers.              Independents leaned toward prioritization as well.              Republicans remained divided: some favored prioritization, but a       majority supported broader enforcement.              Public sentiment: Biden’s narrower enforcement aligned with majority       Democratic opinion, but faced criticism from Republicans who wanted       tougher measures.              Trump Return (2025)       Early 2025 (January–March):              Polls showed majority support (60–65%) for deporting undocumented       immigrants with criminal records.              Even Democrats agreed with this narrower focus, which is why DHS       messaging emphasized “criminal aliens” at first.              Mid–Late 2025:              As Trump shifted toward mass round‑ups, public opinion diverged:              Republicans: Majority supported the expansion.              Democrats & Independents: Opposition rose sharply, with many viewing it       as overreach.              Polling showed less than 40% support nationally for deporting all       undocumented immigrants regardless of criminal history.              âš–️ Key Takeaway       Obama & Biden: Enforcement priorities were aligned with majority opinion       â€” focus on criminals, not families.              Trump (2025): Began aligned with public sentiment but quickly diverged,       pursuing mass deportations despite declining support outside his base.              âś… Conclusion: Public opinion has consistently favored prioritizing       enforcement against criminal aliens rather than blanket deportations.       Obama and Biden stayed within that consensus, while Trump initially       echoed it but then shifted to a broader agenda that lost majority support.       https://copilot.microsoft.com/chats/1iYaU7mtgyiMkcHvzV29U              There is also a large chart of the comparative policies of Biden, Obama       and Donald. It is messy to copy so I left it out.              Tom Homan has shifted his statements as Donald shifted from an emphasis       on illegals rounded up with criminal records to ALL rounded up. His       comments to Mika and numerous other interviewers became confusing.              And then I'd not want you to forget that Donnie's "no touch" promise       on the East Wing (FDR's legacy) shifted within 3 months to razing it       to the ground for the reason given to Fox news - "It looked like hell."              He and his administration have been shown thus far to be dishonest       and chaotic. I'd not expect their immigration agenda to be anything       less. But you've been duped so many times by that con artist and his       untrustworthy cabinet heads, I'd expect your full dumb support for a       race-based immigration policy that sucked a majority of the Left into       their spider nest of lies and obfuscations. That is what Americans do       not need or want: dishonest executives playing tricks to get what they       want. And resulting in an abyss of mutual distrust and disrespect.              This administration's shifty behavior and policies "look like hell."              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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