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   On 2025-12-17 16:11, Steven Douglas wrote:   
   >   
   > Mike  posted:   
   >> On 2025-12-17 13:08, Steven Douglas wrote:   
   >>> Mike  posted:   
   >>>> On 2025-12-16 17:55, Steven Douglas wrote:   
   >>>>> JTEM  posted:   
   >>>>>> On 12/16/25 8:22 PM, Steven Douglas wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Video title: "Universe Designed: The Evidence That   
   >>>>>>> Changed an Atheist's Mind, with Michael Lewis"   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Grab a superball. Walk into some large indoor stadium,   
   >>>>>> the larger the better.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Spin around 20 times then throw that superball as hard   
   >>>>>> as you can against the ground, assuming it's a hard   
   >>>>>> surface.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> When it comes to rest, where ever it stops there was   
   >>>>>> only a one in a billion chance, maybe a one in 10   
   >>>>>> billion chance that it would end up there.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> IT MUST HAVE BEEN PLACED THERE BY GOD!   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> No, there are things that happen by random chance.   
   >>>>> The Creation of the universe is not one of those   
   >>>>> things that happened by random chance. Everything   
   >>>>> had to be exactly fine-tuned by God in order for   
   >>>>> the universe to exist.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> If the force of gravity had been a bit stronger,   
   >>>>> the universe would have imploded sometime after   
   >>>>> the Big Bang. If the force of gravity had been   
   >>>>> a bit weaker, our solar system would not have   
   >>>>> formed and the planets and moons would not be   
   >>>>> held in their orbits.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> The fact is, if the universe wasn't exactly the way   
   >>>>>> it is, we couldn't exist.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Exactly. The fine-tuning by God is what makes   
   >>>>> it work.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Another fact is that the   
   >>>>>> universe wasn't always this way and it won't always   
   >>>>>> remain this way.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> The laws of physics are constant and do not change.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> The point is, this is a moment, a window inside of   
   >>>>>> the universe, and you're pretending that it's the   
   >>>>>> whole thing.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> I'm not pretending anything. There is design in   
   >>>>> everything in our existence. Design only happens   
   >>>>> when there is a Creator. Design doesn't happen by   
   >>>>> chance.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Examples of design are in the DNA molecule, and   
   >>>>> it's machine-like structure that Darwin or his   
   >>>>> adherents have to overlook in order to continue   
   >>>>> to believe this all happened by chance.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Other examples of design are in our own solar   
   >>>>> system, in which our planet is not too close   
   >>>>> to the sun, but also not too far. The correct   
   >>>>> force of gravity keeps us in that orbit, while   
   >>>>> our planet is tilted on its axis to keep the   
   >>>>> top and the bottom of the planet from getting   
   >>>>> too hot or too cold.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> So many things that point to a Creator, it's   
   >>>>> incredible to me that anyone can think this   
   >>>>> just happened all by itself.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Then why is there so much dust in my apartment?   
   >>>   
   >>> Because there are some things that are random, as with   
   >>> the Super Ball bouncing that JTEM mentioned. And the   
   >>> dust in your apartment. None of that has anything to   
   >>> do with the design that is OBVIOUS in God's Creation.   
   >>>   
   >>> For example, do you think the DNA molecule randomly   
   >>> evolved? With its machinery-like precision? Have   
   >>> you ever even thought about that?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I find myself having to dust of random particles   
   >>>> almost every day. You're just looking at the order   
   >>>> but ignoring the chaos,   
   >>>   
   >>> The chaos has nothing to do with the ORDER of God's   
   >>> Creation. The chaos is something that happens inside   
   >>> of God's Creation. Why are you ignoring the OBVIOUS   
   >>> design that makes life possible on our planet? And   
   >>> without that design, life would not be able to exist   
   >>> here? Have you ever thought about that?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> which there is much more of.   
   >>>> Stars bump into each other, asteroid impacts destroy   
   >>>> worlds. Black holes suck up galaxies, and animals   
   >>>> shred each other, everyday for food. Why????   
   >>>   
   >>> This world isn't Heaven, no matter how much atheists   
   >>> think it should be and wish it was. Heaven is somewhere   
   >>> else. God never promised that this world would ever be   
   >>> Heaven. In fact, Jesus said we would have trials and   
   >>> tribulations in this world. But if we have faith in   
   >>> Him, He has overcome the world.   
   >>>   
   >>> Ultimately, Heaven is our destination, for those who   
   >>> believe in Jesus and keep God's commandments.   
   >>   
   >> Your comments were very painful to read...   
   >   
   > Why? You mentioned the chaos in this world, which   
   > is difficult to ignore when we watch the news and   
   > see how horribly some people treat other people.   
   > What was painful about what I wrote?   
      
   Your arguments are all illogical and incoherent.   
   What would prevent God from creating a world where   
   random chemicals can assemble into life if he wanted?   
   Please explain? It seems to me you want to tell God   
   what he can and cannot do.   
      
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