From: user6340@newsgrouper.org.invalid   
      
   JTEM  posted:   
   > On 12/18/25 5:36 PM, Steven Douglas wrote:   
   > > JTEM  posted:   
   > >> On 12/18/25 2:48 AM, Steven Douglas wrote:   
   > >>   
   > >>> Just the fact that you think you CAN debunk it shows   
   > >>> your misunderstanding of the REALITY of the fine-tuning   
   > >>> of the universe.   
   > >>   
   > >> When I was a kid -- and I was a weird kid -- I would   
   > >> sometimes be taken aback, even overwhelmed by all the   
   > >> things that had to happen THROUGHOUT HISTORY for us   
   > >> (me and whomever was in vicinity) to be here.   
   > >>   
   > >> And it's true.   
   > >>   
   > >> You've heard of the Butterfly Effect, right?   
   > >>   
   > >> THAT!   
   > >>   
   > >> All the wars, all the tragedies... the pain and suffering...   
   > >> the plagues... slavery... shipwrecks... fires... earthquakes...   
   > >>   
   > >> Those all had to happen. Take all that evil, all that   
   > >> agony and we're not here. We don't exist.   
   >   
   > > But there would still be people here   
   >   
   > Same for the universe. Even if it worked out so we aren't here,   
   > the universe would still be here.   
      
   Only if the correct level of the force of gravity   
   also popped into existence all by itself. Because   
   if the force of gravity were a bit stronger, the   
   universe would have collapsed back in on itself   
   sometime after the Big Bang happened.   
      
   If gravity were a bit weaker, all the matter from   
   the Big Bang would have scattered and never formed   
   the galaxies and solar systems. Planet Earth, out   
   there flying around without the Sun, would be a   
   very cold and inhospitable place. And the universe   
   (as we know it) wouldn't exist, as all the matter   
   would have just kept scattering in all directions.   
      
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