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   On 2025-12-18 16:27, Steven Douglas wrote:   
   >   
   > Mike  posted:   
   >> On 2025-12-18 14:15, Steven Douglas wrote:   
   >>> Mike  posted:   
   >>>> On 2025-12-17 16:11, Steven Douglas wrote:   
   >>>>> Mike  posted:   
   >>>>>> On 2025-12-17 13:08, Steven Douglas wrote:   
   >>>>>>> Mike  posted:   
   >>>>>>>> On 2025-12-16 17:55, Steven Douglas wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> JTEM  posted:   
   >>>>>>>>>> On 12/16/25 8:22 PM, Steven Douglas wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Video title: "Universe Designed: The Evidence That   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Changed an Atheist's Mind, with Michael Lewis"   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Grab a superball. Walk into some large indoor stadium,   
   >>>>>>>>>> the larger the better.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Spin around 20 times then throw that superball as hard   
   >>>>>>>>>> as you can against the ground, assuming it's a hard   
   >>>>>>>>>> surface.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> When it comes to rest, where ever it stops there was   
   >>>>>>>>>> only a one in a billion chance, maybe a one in 10   
   >>>>>>>>>> billion chance that it would end up there.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> IT MUST HAVE BEEN PLACED THERE BY GOD!   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> No, there are things that happen by random chance.   
   >>>>>>>>> The Creation of the universe is not one of those   
   >>>>>>>>> things that happened by random chance. Everything   
   >>>>>>>>> had to be exactly fine-tuned by God in order for   
   >>>>>>>>> the universe to exist.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> If the force of gravity had been a bit stronger,   
   >>>>>>>>> the universe would have imploded sometime after   
   >>>>>>>>> the Big Bang. If the force of gravity had been   
   >>>>>>>>> a bit weaker, our solar system would not have   
   >>>>>>>>> formed and the planets and moons would not be   
   >>>>>>>>> held in their orbits.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> The fact is, if the universe wasn't exactly the way   
   >>>>>>>>>> it is, we couldn't exist.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Exactly. The fine-tuning by God is what makes   
   >>>>>>>>> it work.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Another fact is that the   
   >>>>>>>>>> universe wasn't always this way and it won't always   
   >>>>>>>>>> remain this way.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> The laws of physics are constant and do not change.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> The point is, this is a moment, a window inside of   
   >>>>>>>>>> the universe, and you're pretending that it's the   
   >>>>>>>>>> whole thing.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> I'm not pretending anything. There is design in   
   >>>>>>>>> everything in our existence. Design only happens   
   >>>>>>>>> when there is a Creator. Design doesn't happen by   
   >>>>>>>>> chance.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Examples of design are in the DNA molecule, and   
   >>>>>>>>> it's machine-like structure that Darwin or his   
   >>>>>>>>> adherents have to overlook in order to continue   
   >>>>>>>>> to believe this all happened by chance.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Other examples of design are in our own solar   
   >>>>>>>>> system, in which our planet is not too close   
   >>>>>>>>> to the sun, but also not too far. The correct   
   >>>>>>>>> force of gravity keeps us in that orbit, while   
   >>>>>>>>> our planet is tilted on its axis to keep the   
   >>>>>>>>> top and the bottom of the planet from getting   
   >>>>>>>>> too hot or too cold.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> So many things that point to a Creator, it's   
   >>>>>>>>> incredible to me that anyone can think this   
   >>>>>>>>> just happened all by itself.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Then why is there so much dust in my apartment?   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Because there are some things that are random, as with   
   >>>>>>> the Super Ball bouncing that JTEM mentioned. And the   
   >>>>>>> dust in your apartment. None of that has anything to   
   >>>>>>> do with the design that is OBVIOUS in God's Creation.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> For example, do you think the DNA molecule randomly   
   >>>>>>> evolved? With its machinery-like precision? Have   
   >>>>>>> you ever even thought about that?   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> I find myself having to dust of random particles   
   >>>>>>>> almost every day. You're just looking at the order   
   >>>>>>>> but ignoring the chaos,   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> The chaos has nothing to do with the ORDER of God's   
   >>>>>>> Creation. The chaos is something that happens inside   
   >>>>>>> of God's Creation. Why are you ignoring the OBVIOUS   
   >>>>>>> design that makes life possible on our planet? And   
   >>>>>>> without that design, life would not be able to exist   
   >>>>>>> here? Have you ever thought about that?   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> which there is much more of.   
   >>>>>>>> Stars bump into each other, asteroid impacts destroy   
   >>>>>>>> worlds. Black holes suck up galaxies, and animals   
   >>>>>>>> shred each other, everyday for food. Why????   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> This world isn't Heaven, no matter how much atheists   
   >>>>>>> think it should be and wish it was. Heaven is somewhere   
   >>>>>>> else. God never promised that this world would ever be   
   >>>>>>> Heaven. In fact, Jesus said we would have trials and   
   >>>>>>> tribulations in this world. But if we have faith in   
   >>>>>>> Him, He has overcome the world.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Ultimately, Heaven is our destination, for those who   
   >>>>>>> believe in Jesus and keep God's commandments.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Your comments were very painful to read...   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Why? You mentioned the chaos in this world, which   
   >>>>> is difficult to ignore when we watch the news and   
   >>>>> see how horribly some people treat other people.   
   >>>>> What was painful about what I wrote?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Your arguments are all illogical and incoherent.   
   >>>   
   >>> Give an example. Just making a blanket statement the   
   >>> way you just did is meaningless. You demanded that I   
   >>> provide mathematical equations, yet you ignore the   
   >>> fact that the mathematical odds that ALL of God's   
   >>> Creation happened ALL BY ITSELF are infinitesimally   
   >>> small. Why do you ignore that fact?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> What would prevent God from creating a world where   
   >>>> random chemicals can assemble into life if he wanted?   
   >>>   
   >>> Then it's STILL His Creation, isn't it?   
   >>   
   >> No, it doesn't have to be. One would expect   
   >> God also has to power to make things spring   
   >> into existence, even without his input or   
   >> exerting his will.   
   >   
   > God has the power to do anything He chooses to do.   
   > But I seriously doubt that he made things that   
   > could spring into existence without His guidance.   
   > Do you have things springing into existence where   
   > you live?   
      
   Yes I do, but if I tell you, you're going to say   
   it's God doing it, even without evidence of him   
   doing so.   
      
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