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Mike posted:
> On 2025-12-18 16:27, Steven Douglas wrote:
> > Mike posted:
> >> On 2025-12-18 14:15, Steven Douglas wrote:
> >>> Mike posted:
> >>>> On 2025-12-17 16:11, Steven Douglas wrote:
> >>>>> Mike posted:
> >>>>>> On 2025-12-17 13:08, Steven Douglas wrote:
> >>>>>>> Mike posted:
> >>>>>>>> On 2025-12-16 17:55, Steven Douglas wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> JTEM posted:
> >>>>>>>>>> On 12/16/25 8:22 PM, Steven Douglas wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Video title: "Universe Designed: The Evidence That
> >>>>>>>>>>> Changed an Atheist's Mind, with Michael Lewis"
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Grab a superball. Walk into some large indoor stadium,
> >>>>>>>>>> the larger the better.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Spin around 20 times then throw that superball as hard
> >>>>>>>>>> as you can against the ground, assuming it's a hard
> >>>>>>>>>> surface.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> When it comes to rest, where ever it stops there was
> >>>>>>>>>> only a one in a billion chance, maybe a one in 10
> >>>>>>>>>> billion chance that it would end up there.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> IT MUST HAVE BEEN PLACED THERE BY GOD!
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> No, there are things that happen by random chance.
> >>>>>>>>> The Creation of the universe is not one of those
> >>>>>>>>> things that happened by random chance. Everything
> >>>>>>>>> had to be exactly fine-tuned by God in order for
> >>>>>>>>> the universe to exist.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> If the force of gravity had been a bit stronger,
> >>>>>>>>> the universe would have imploded sometime after
> >>>>>>>>> the Big Bang. If the force of gravity had been
> >>>>>>>>> a bit weaker, our solar system would not have
> >>>>>>>>> formed and the planets and moons would not be
> >>>>>>>>> held in their orbits.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> The fact is, if the universe wasn't exactly the way
> >>>>>>>>>> it is, we couldn't exist.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Exactly. The fine-tuning by God is what makes
> >>>>>>>>> it work.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Another fact is that the
> >>>>>>>>>> universe wasn't always this way and it won't always
> >>>>>>>>>> remain this way.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The laws of physics are constant and do not change.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> The point is, this is a moment, a window inside of
> >>>>>>>>>> the universe, and you're pretending that it's the
> >>>>>>>>>> whole thing.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I'm not pretending anything. There is design in
> >>>>>>>>> everything in our existence. Design only happens
> >>>>>>>>> when there is a Creator. Design doesn't happen by
> >>>>>>>>> chance.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Examples of design are in the DNA molecule, and
> >>>>>>>>> it's machine-like structure that Darwin or his
> >>>>>>>>> adherents have to overlook in order to continue
> >>>>>>>>> to believe this all happened by chance.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Other examples of design are in our own solar
> >>>>>>>>> system, in which our planet is not too close
> >>>>>>>>> to the sun, but also not too far. The correct
> >>>>>>>>> force of gravity keeps us in that orbit, while
> >>>>>>>>> our planet is tilted on its axis to keep the
> >>>>>>>>> top and the bottom of the planet from getting
> >>>>>>>>> too hot or too cold.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> So many things that point to a Creator, it's
> >>>>>>>>> incredible to me that anyone can think this
> >>>>>>>>> just happened all by itself.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Then why is there so much dust in my apartment?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Because there are some things that are random, as with
> >>>>>>> the Super Ball bouncing that JTEM mentioned. And the
> >>>>>>> dust in your apartment. None of that has anything to
> >>>>>>> do with the design that is OBVIOUS in God's Creation.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> For example, do you think the DNA molecule randomly
> >>>>>>> evolved? With its machinery-like precision? Have
> >>>>>>> you ever even thought about that?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I find myself having to dust of random particles
> >>>>>>>> almost every day. You're just looking at the order
> >>>>>>>> but ignoring the chaos,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The chaos has nothing to do with the ORDER of God's
> >>>>>>> Creation. The chaos is something that happens inside
> >>>>>>> of God's Creation. Why are you ignoring the OBVIOUS
> >>>>>>> design that makes life possible on our planet? And
> >>>>>>> without that design, life would not be able to exist
> >>>>>>> here? Have you ever thought about that?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> which there is much more of.
> >>>>>>>> Stars bump into each other, asteroid impacts destroy
> >>>>>>>> worlds. Black holes suck up galaxies, and animals
> >>>>>>>> shred each other, everyday for food. Why????
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This world isn't Heaven, no matter how much atheists
> >>>>>>> think it should be and wish it was. Heaven is somewhere
> >>>>>>> else. God never promised that this world would ever be
> >>>>>>> Heaven. In fact, Jesus said we would have trials and
> >>>>>>> tribulations in this world. But if we have faith in
> >>>>>>> Him, He has overcome the world.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Ultimately, Heaven is our destination, for those who
> >>>>>>> believe in Jesus and keep God's commandments.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Your comments were very painful to read...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Why? You mentioned the chaos in this world, which
> >>>>> is difficult to ignore when we watch the news and
> >>>>> see how horribly some people treat other people.
> >>>>> What was painful about what I wrote?
> >>>>
> >>>> Your arguments are all illogical and incoherent.
> >>>
> >>> Give an example. Just making a blanket statement the
> >>> way you just did is meaningless. You demanded that I
> >>> provide mathematical equations, yet you ignore the
> >>> fact that the mathematical odds that ALL of God's
> >>> Creation happened ALL BY ITSELF are infinitesimally
> >>> small. Why do you ignore that fact?
> >>>>
> >>>> What would prevent God from creating a world where
> >>>> random chemicals can assemble into life if he wanted?
> >>>
> >>> Then it's STILL His Creation, isn't it?
> >>
> >> No, it doesn't have to be. One would expect
> >> God also has to power to make things spring
> >> into existence, even without his input or
> >> exerting his will.
> >
> > God has the power to do anything He chooses to do.
> > But I seriously doubt that he made things that
> > could spring into existence without His guidance.
> > Do you have things springing into existence where
> > you live?
>
> Yes I do,
Really? I'm very curious what those things might be.
>
> but if I tell you, you're going to say
> it's God doing it,
Since I have no idea what the things are that spring
into existence where you live, I can't say whether
it's God doing it or not.
>
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