From: theirony2013@gmail.com
On 2025-12-20 11:13, Steven Douglas wrote:
>
> Mike posted:
>> On 2025-12-19 17:53, Steven Douglas wrote:
>>> Mike posted:
>>>> On 2025-12-19 16:31, Steven Douglas wrote:
>>>>> Mike posted:
>>>>>> On 2025-12-19 15:11, Steven Douglas wrote:
>>>>>>> Mike posted:
>>>>>>>> On 2025-12-19 11:13, Steven Douglas wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Mike posted:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-12-18 16:33, Steven Douglas wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Mike posted:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-12-18 14:38, Steven Douglas wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike posted:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-12-17 22:26, Steven Douglas wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike posted:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder why Satan and Steven sound so similar?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did that dumb AI thing tell you that, or did you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think it up all by yourself?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are both two syllables with 'S', 't', 'n' in common.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So what? A lot of words sound alike that have nothing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to do with each other.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But people still make obvious associations.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That's true, I associate your name with a microphone.
>>>>>>>>>>> Are you a microphone because you have the same nickname
>>>>>>>>>>> as a microphone?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I do have quite a few microphones if you are interested,
>>>>>>>>>> to many to count, if that matters.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But that doesn't make you a microphone, despite the
>>>>>>>>> fact that you share a nickname with microphones.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I do like cooking too,
>>>>>>>>>> as you might have noticed, so my names are all relevant.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Last names were once determined by a person's
>>>>>>>>> occupation. Was cooking ever your occupation?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I did work at McDonald for a couple days. and
>>>>>>>> I helped bake pies at church.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course you inherited your name from one of your
>>>>>>> ancestors of the past, who was most likely a real
>>>>>>> cook -- and that's how he got his name.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It is a well known fact that names convert meanings, and
>>>>>>>>>> some believe they also shape personalities.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So that would mean you're a microphone that also
>>>>>>>>> does some cooking. Got it. As for me, I have never
>>>>>>>>> even thought of the false association you've tried
>>>>>>>>> (and failed ) to associate with my name.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your name brings up impressions of Satan,and the Devil.
>>>>>>>> What's false about that?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What's false about it is what Google's AI thing has
>>>>>>> to say about it:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [quoting an AI thing] "The name Steven, a variant of Stephen,
>>>>>>> comes from the Greek word Stephanos, meaning "crown," "garland,"
>>>>>>> or "wreath," symbolizing honor and victory from ancient contests,
>>>>>>> and gained popularity in Christianity through Saint Stephen, the
>>>>>>> first martyr. It's a classic, strong name with Greek roots,
>>>>>>> meaning "crowned one" or "victorious," carrying connotations
>>>>>>> of honor and achievement." [end quoting]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael comes from the Hebrew name מִיכָאֵל (Mīkhāʾēl).
>>>>>> It literally means: “Who is like God?”
>>>>>
>>>>> That's great. I haven't made an issue of your name,
>>>>> so why are you repeating this to me -- as it seems
>>>>> you told me this not all that long ago?
>>>>
>>>> I thought you might be jealous I have a Hebrew name.
>>>> Stephen is merely Greek.
>>>
>>> Is it really important to you that I be jealous
>>> of you? If so, why? Just so you know, the thought
>>> has never crossed my mind to be jealous of your
>>> name. Just so you know. I'm very happy with my name.
>>>>
>>>>>>> You can verify that with that AI thing you use. I choose
>>>>>>> to associate myself with Saint Stephen, and to renounce
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The one who got stoned to death by the Jews?
>>>>>
>>>>> That's why he's the first martyr.
>>>>
>>>> He was a blasphemer. From there perspective
>>>> he was justifiably stoned.
>>>
>>> They probably wouldn't have done it if they thought
>>> they were justified doing it. Jesus also suffered
>>> his own murder. The people who did that were wrong.
>>> Or are you trying to tell me that you agree with
>>> them for having done what they did?
>>
>> The Bible is clear what should be done with
>> those who break the law.
>
> The stoning of Stephen was not a legally conducted
> execution, it was perpetrated by an out-of-control
> angry mob. Ask your AI thing if it thinks the stoning
> of Stephen was a properly conducted execution under
> Jewish law. I'm very interested in what it has to say.
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At the time of Stephen’s stoning (c. AD 34–35),
no human or institution had the authority to
officially “validate” Jesus as God in any universally
recognized sense. Here’s why:
Jewish Authorities (Sanhedrin)
Their authority was limited to interpreting and
enforcing the Torah.
From their perspective, someone claiming to be God
would be blasphemous, not divinely validated.
They had no framework for recognizing Jesus as
divine, because Jewish theology strictly emphasized
the oneness of God.
Roman Authorities
Rome controlled Judea politically, but they did
not validate religious claims.
They could approve or punish executions for crimes
like sedition or public disorder, but they weren’t
arbiters of divinity.
The General Public / Jewish People
Belief in Jesus’ divinity was emerging among his
followers, but this was a faith claim, not legally
or officially recognized.
The Concept of Divine Validation in Christianity
Christianity later bases validation on resurrection
and apostolic witness, as recorded in the New Testament.
At Stephen’s time, that record was just beginning to
form; nothing existed yet to “legitimize” Jesus’
divinity in a court of law.
So, essentially: no earthly authority could declare
Jesus to be God at that moment. Recognition of his
divinity was purely a matter of personal faith and
spiritual experience, not legal or institutional
approval.
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