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|    29 Dec 25 09:01:07    |
      From: garyrayl70@gmail.com              Don't bother to read any of this if you're convinced that DJT is       the greatest President of all! Ignore it all and continue to play       with lies, myths, distractions and whatever else suits you!       And as you observe America's downfall in progress, please tell       yourselves that "It's only lies" until the economy collapses and       a civil war erupts in the streets. Deep State fantasies may still       be there to aid your denial through it all, since an aversion to       discomforting reality always has its teddy bears and teething rings!              I asked AI Microsoft CoPilot:              Trump and his fans claim that state courts refused to adjudicate his       claim of a rigged 2020 election due to a conspiracy among those court       judges and/or state officials (Sec. of State, Atorney Generals, etc.),       and argued that the "standards" by which they dismissed their claim were       violated to suppress the "truth" of a widespread Left/Democrat       conspiracy. Mitch McConnell rejected that claim in the Senate       immediately after the Jan. 6th, 2021 assault on the Capitol by       Trumpers. What are the facts?              It answered, fully quoted:              Here’s the crux: Trump’s narrative that “the courts refused to hear the       evidence” is flatly contradicted by the litigation record, and by top       Republicans like McConnell citing that record in real time. Courts did       hear his side; they rejected it because the claims were factually       unsupported or legally deficient, not because of a conspiracy.              High‑level comparison [CHART]       Question Trump narrative Documented facts       Were cases “never heard on the merits”? Claims they were thrown out only       on “technicalities” like standing. Many courts reached the merits and       rejected fraud claims as unsupported; others used standard doctrines       (standing, mootness, etc.).       How many lawsuits? Framed as massive legal war “blocked” by courts.       Trump campaign and allies filed about 62 post‑election cases; 61 failed       in court.       Why did they lose? Alleged partisan/Deep State conspiracy by judges and       state officials. Courts (including Trump‑appointed judges) found no       credible evidence of widespread fraud or illegality and applied routine       procedural rules.       What did McConnell say? Trump world later implies GOP “betrayed” him.       McConnell: “The voters, the courts and the states have all spoken… If we       overrule them, it will damage our republic forever.”       Sources:              1. What actually happened in the courts       Volume and outcomes       Number of cases: Trump’s campaign and allied plaintiffs filed roughly 62       post‑election lawsuits challenging election processes and results in       multiple states.              Results: 61 of 62 were rejected by state and federal courts; only a       minor Pennsylvania case changed a small number of ballots and did not       affect any outcome.              These losses occurred in state and federal courts, trial and appellate       levels, in both red and blue states, under judges appointed by both       parties, including Trump’s own nominees.              Merits vs “technicalities”       Trump has repeatedly claimed that “we lost on standing, a technicality,”       and that courts never reached his evidence. A detailed analysis by       Richard Bernstein (a former Supreme Court clerk) shows that claim is false:              Many cases were decided “on the merits”—judges examined the allegations       and found them unsupported or implausible.              Others were dismissed on standard procedural grounds, such as:              Standing: Plaintiffs weren’t the proper parties to sue.              Mootness: The issue was no longer live.              Laches / timing: Challenges came too late, after rules were set and       ballots cast.              These procedural doctrines are not inventions for Trump; they are       long‑standing, neutral rules applied in all kinds of litigation,       including elections.              Bernstein explicitly notes that Trump’s statement that his team lost       “solely on the technicality of standing” is wrong: courts did reject       claims on the merits as well as on well‑established procedural grounds.              2. Why courts rejected the fraud and “rigged” claims       Lack of evidence and unreliable witnesses       In cases where courts reached the substance, the pattern was consistent:              Judges found no credible evidence of large‑scale fraud or       outcome‑changing irregularities.              Many allegations were based on:              Misunderstandings of normal election procedures.              Statistical or mathematical claims that collapsed under scrutiny.              Affidavits that were speculative, conclusory, or unsupported by records.              The Judicature analysis of 2020 election litigation (“The Courts Held”)       emphasizes that courts repeatedly demanded proof and were not given       proof that could meet legal standards—and that this is precisely how the       rule of law is supposed to function under stress.              Standard procedural doctrines, not a special anti‑Trump rule       The Supreme Court and other courts used familiar doctrines:              Standing: For example, in Texas v. Pennsylvania, Texas lacked standing       to challenge how other states conducted their elections—a basic       federalism principle, not a Trump‑specific rule.              Mootness / timing: Pre‑election and post‑election challenges were       sometimes brought too late to be legally cognizable; courts routinely       apply this to avoid retroactive rule‑changing.              A Legal Clarity summary notes that the Supreme Court’s refusals to take       certain election cases were grounded in these routine doctrines, not in       any refusal to examine “fraud” in principle.              3. The conspiracy claim about judges and state officials       Trump and his supporters often argue:              Claim: Judges (state and federal) and officials (secretaries of state,       attorneys general, etc.) coordinated to protect a “Left/Democrat       conspiracy” by refusing to adjudicate the cases fairly.              When you compare that to the public record:              No evidence of coordinated conspiracy among judges or state officials       has been presented in any court or credible investigation.              Multiple Republican officials—including Republican secretaries of state       and governors—certified their own states’ results and defended them in       court.              Many adverse rulings were issued by Republican‑appointed judges,       including some appointed by Trump himself, who applied conventional       legal standards and explicitly rejected fraud claims as unproven.              In other words, the “conspiracy” narrative is entirely assertion.       Trump’s team had full opportunity, in multiple forums, to put that       conspiracy theory into a sworn complaint with evidence; they did not       produce evidence that met courtroom standards, and judges said so in       their written opinions.                     [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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