From: user6340@newsgrouper.org.invalid   
      
   Mike  posted:   
   >   
   > > It's where the Bible is BANNED by a society that you'll   
   > > find dictators, tyranny, and slavery. Also in today's   
   > > world, nations that observe the Bible do not go to war   
   > > with each other. Have you ever stopped to think about that?   
   >   
   >    
   >   
   > WHAT THIS STATEMENT REALLY IS   
   >   
   > It’s ideological rhetoric, not history or political   
   > analysis. The speaker is:   
   >   
   > Making absolute claims ("you’ll find dictators",   
      
   That's right. Show me a dictator in today's world where   
   a nation observes the Bible.   
   >   
   > "do not go to war")   
      
   That was not the entire quote. I wonder how dishonest   
   that thing can get? It will be interesting to find out.   
   To think, a machine can actually become a liar. I just   
   wonder if it will admit to being a liar the way you have?   
   >   
   > Using selective examples while ignoring counter-cases   
      
   Give some examples.   
   >   
   > Treating the Bible as the single cause of complex   
   > social outcomes   
      
   I said nothing about it being "the single cause".   
   But it is a fact that where the Bible is observed   
   by a society IN TODAY'S WORLD, you'll generally   
   find peace and democracy. It's where the Bible is   
   banned that you'll find tyranny and slavery in   
   TODAY'S WORLD. Did the thing miss that part about   
   TODAY'S WORLD?   
   >   
   > That usually means they’re arguing from belief, not   
   > evidence.   
   >   
   > WHY THE CLAIMS DON’T HOLD UP   
   >   
   > "Bible banned = dictators, tyranny, slavery"   
   >   
   > This is historically false.   
      
   HISTORICALLY? I said quite CLEARLY that I was referring   
   to TODAY'S WORLD.   
   >   
   > Counterexamples:   
   >   
   > Soviet Union banned religion and was a dictatorship   
      
   Exactly. Great example of my point. Thank the thing for me.   
   >   
   > Nazi Germany did NOT ban the Bible and was a   
   > dictatorship anyway   
      
   Hitler did not live in TODAY'S WORLD, and Hitler's   
   government did not observe the Bible. In fact, Hitler   
   ignored the Bible.   
   >   
   > Apartheid South Africa used the Bible to justify   
   > oppression   
      
   What part of TODAY'S WORLD did that thing miss?   
   >   
   > Colonial slavery thrived in Bible-observing societies   
      
   Sheesh, it's going ever further back in history.   
   I wonder why it's so dishonest?   
   >   
   > So banning the Bible is neither necessary nor sufficient   
   > for tyranny.   
      
   In today's world, the places where you'll find tyranny   
   and slavery are in places where the Bible is banned.   
   That's a fact, and no amount of LYING by that thing   
   will undo that fact.   
   >   
   > "Bible-observing nations don’t go to war"   
      
   In today's world, they don't go to war with each other.   
   Why is that thing such a LYING piece of crap? I'm done   
   with this BS.   
      
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