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   On 2026-01-07 17:01, Steven Douglas wrote:   
   >   
   > Mike  posted:   
   >> On 2026-01-07 15:51, Steven Douglas wrote:   
   >>> Mike  posted:   
   >>>> On 2026-01-07 11:42, Steven Douglas wrote:   
   >>>>> Mike  posted:   
   >>>>>> On 2026-01-06 17:01, Steven Douglas wrote:   
   >>>>>>> Mike  posted:   
   >>>>>>>> On 2026-01-06 16:21, Steven Douglas wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> Mike  posted:   
   >>>>>>>>>> On 2026-01-06 13:47, Steven Douglas wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Mike  posted:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2026-01-06 10:06, Steven Douglas wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> JTEM  posted:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/5/26 8:11 PM, Steven Douglas wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, an idea -- not a fact.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>            *Yawn!*   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You asked a question. I answered it.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> With a hypothesis.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Hypotheses are more likely to lead to facts   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for confirming that a hypothesis is   
   >>>>>>>>>>> not a fact.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> than 'beliefs', because they are designed to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> be tested and verified,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> The idea that life sprang forth and we all evolved   
   >>>>>>>>>>> from a single cell has not been verified.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> whereas beliefs do   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> not require verification.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> It's someone's *belief* that life was transported to   
   >>>>>>>>>>> our world from some other world (and they're not   
   >>>>>>>>>>> even sure which world that might have been).   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> The Universe *IS* God, the source of all creation   
   >>>>>>>>>> so it can do anything it wants.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> If you're going to invoke God's Creation, the Bible   
   >>>>>>>>> is the only choice you have. You can't just make   
   >>>>>>>>> stuff up and pretend it's from God.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> All languages are human creations, in other words   
   >>>>>>>> 'made up'. If it's in a human language, then that   
   >>>>>>>> isn't God.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> The Bible is the Inspired Word of God.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> The Bible is only paper and ink !   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> The Bible has a supernatural power that supersedes its   
   >>>>> physical form. You might not understand that, but those   
   >>>>> of us who love God understand it.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> God??? HA!!! You're infested with a legion of demons...   
   >>>   
   >>> I love God. Demons do not love God. Do you love God?   
   >>   
   >> What is love for God?   
   >> How does it feel?   
   >   
   > Do you know what love is? It feels like that, only   
   > more so.   
   >>   
   >> How does it manifest?   
   >   
   > It manifests when I realized and accepted that God is   
   > in control, and I began to recognize and appreciate all   
   > the times He has blessed my life -- and the way He has   
   > proven to me that He is real, and He answers my prayers.   
      
   I feel all that without God or the Bible.   
   Just being alive is proof enough for me.   
      
      
      
   >>   
   >> I love myself.   
   >> God and I are one and the same.   
   >   
   > And you think I'm a narcissist! Sheesh, incredible!   
      
   If I wasn't alive what use would I have for God?   
      
   >>   
   >> So in that sense, I love God as myself.   
   >> I don't understand love for a fantasy character.   
   >   
   > God is not a fantasy character. I'm sorry for you   
   > that you don't know the truth.   
      
   Belief and fantasy are similar terms.   
   Neither are facts. 'Know' and 'Belief'   
   are oxymoronic and mutually exclusive   
   expressions. One cannot know and believe   
   at the same time.   
      
      
   >>   
   >> There is no way to know if you understand either.   
   >   
   > Understand what? That you don't believe in God? I   
   > can understand that. I've mentioned more than once   
   > on this group that I went through a time in my life   
   > when I had a lot of doubts about the existence of   
   > God. I asked for a sign, and it didn't happen right   
   > away -- but when it did happen, there is no doubt   
   > in my mind that God exists.   
      
   The Bible discourages making miraculous   
   signs a requirement for faith. Faith is   
   meant to trust God’s word and promises   
   rather than expecting supernatural proof.   
      
      
   >>   
   >>> Because I DO LOVE God!!! With every fiber of my being.   
   >>   
   >> I don't trust words from others.   
   >> I need to feel it myself.   
   >> How does it feel?   
   >> How does it manifest?   
   >   
   > You're repeating yourself. See my response above.   
      
   I cannot have faith based on your personal testimony.   
   And I'm sure God would not want or require that of me.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)