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   Mike to All   
   THERE WILL BE NO RAPTURE !!!   
   10 Jan 26 17:27:31   
   
   From: theirony2013@gmail.com   
      
   OVERVIEW   
      
   The Bible never explicitly teaches a secret, pre-tribulation rapture.   
      
   Many passages directly contradict its core claims:   
   Two-stage return of Christ   
   Believers escaping tribulation   
   A secret disappearance of the church   
      
   ONE VISIBLE, SINGULAR RETURN OF CHRIST   
      
   Matthew 24:27   
   Christ's coming is like lightning across the sky, public and obvious.   
      
   Matthew 24:30–31   
   All people see him.   
   The elect are gathered at his visible return.   
      
   Acts 1:9–11   
   Jesus returns the same visible way he departed.   
      
   Hebrews 9:28   
   Christ appears a second time, not multiple times.   
      
      
   BELIEVERS PRESENT DURING TRIBULATION   
      
   Matthew 24:9–13   
   Believers are persecuted and must endure to the end.   
      
   Matthew 24:21–22   
   The elect remain present during the great tribulation.   
      
   John 16:33   
   Jesus promises tribulation, not escape.   
      
   Acts 14:22   
   Entrance into God's kingdom comes through many tribulations.   
      
   RESURRECTION OCCURS AFTER TRIBULATION   
      
   Matthew 24:29–31   
   Gathering of the elect occurs after the tribulation.   
      
   1 Corinthians 15:22–24   
   Resurrection tied to "the end."   
      
   1 Corinthians 15:51–52   
   Resurrection happens at the last trumpet.   
      
   Revelation 11:15   
   The seventh (last) trumpet announces God's final kingdom.   
      
   DAY OF THE LORD IS NOT A SURPRISE FOR BELIEVERS   
   1 Thessalonians 5:2–4   
   The day surprises unbelievers, not the faithful.   
      
   2 Thessalonians 2:1–3   
   Apostasy and the man of lawlessness appear first.   
      
   THE WICKED ARE REMOVED FIRST, NOT THE RIGHTEOUS   
      
   Matthew 13:30, 40–43   
   Weeds (the wicked) are removed before the righteous.   
      
   Matthew 13:49–50   
   Evil are separated out for judgment.   
      
   Matthew 24:37–41   
   Those "taken" parallel flood victims, not the saved.   
      
   BELIEVERS ARE PROTECTED, NOT REMOVED   
      
   John 17:15   
   Jesus prays for protection within the world, not removal.   
      
   Revelation 3:10   
   "Kept from" the trial implies guarding through it.   
      
   SAINTS PRESENT IN REVELATION'S TRIBULATION   
      
   Revelation 6:9–11   
   Martyrs appear during the seals.   
      
   Revelation 7:14   
   Saints come out of the great tribulation.   
      
   Revelation 13:7   
   The beast makes war on the saints.   
      
   NO SECRET OR HIDDEN COMING   
      
   Revelation 1:7   
   Every eye will see Christ.   
      
   Matthew 24:23–26   
   Secret appearances are explicitly rejected.   
      
   SUMMARY   
      
   No verse teaches a pre-tribulation rapture.   
   Many verses explicitly teach:   
      
   One visible return of Christ   
   Resurrection at the last trumpet   
   Believers enduring tribulation   
   Judgment and resurrection occurring together   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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