From: user6340@newsgrouper.org.invalid   
      
   Mike  posted:   
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   > THERE WILL BE NO RAPTURE !!!   
      
   Yes, there will!!! I wrote about it in another thread,   
   complete with the Bible's scriptures that describe how   
   we will be CAUGHT UP and meet Jesus in the air! What   
   would you call being CAUGHT UP and meeting Jesus in   
   the air? It sounds exactly like the Rapture to me!   
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   > OVERVIEW   
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   > The Bible never explicitly teaches a secret, pre-tribulation rapture.   
      
   Yes, actually it does. Especially when you also take   
   this into consideration:   
      
   {quoting Jesus] "Because you have kept My command to   
   persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial   
   which shall come upon the whole world, to test those   
   who dwell on the earth." [end quote] Revelation 3:10   
   >   
   > Many passages directly contradict its core claims:   
   > Two-stage return of Christ   
      
   For the Rapture, we meet Jesus in the air. He does   
   not return all the way to the earth for that one.   
   But He does come all the way back for the Second   
   Coming, during which He will set foot in Jerusalem   
   having returned the way He departed.   
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   > Believers escaping tribulation   
      
   I just posted that, just above, citing Revelation 3:10.   
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   > A secret disappearance of the church   
      
   I'm not sure it will be secret. But there will be people   
   taken and others left behind.   
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   > ONE VISIBLE, SINGULAR RETURN OF CHRIST   
      
   The one in which He sets foot in Jerusalem? Absolutely.   
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   > Matthew 24:27   
   > Christ's coming is like lightning across the sky, public and obvious.   
      
   Yes, that will be the one when He returns to the earth.   
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   > Matthew 24:30–31   
   > All people see him.   
      
   Yes, when He returns to Jerusalem.   
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   > The elect are gathered at his visible return.   
      
   Those will be the Tribulation saints, who will have   
   been taught by the 144,000 who will preach the Gospel   
   to those who are still here after the Rapture.   
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   > Acts 1:9–11   
   > Jesus returns the same visible way he departed.   
      
   Yes, when He comes back and sets foot in Jerusalem.   
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   > Hebrews 9:28   
   > Christ appears a second time, not multiple times.   
      
   I agree, we'll meet Him in the air for the Rapture.   
   Then He'll come all the way back for the Second   
   Coming when He actually returns to earth.   
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   > BELIEVERS PRESENT DURING TRIBULATION   
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   > Matthew 24:9–13   
   > Believers are persecuted and must endure to the end.   
      
   That's actually going on in the world right now. You   
   may not know about it, but there are Christians being   
   murdered every day in parts of the Middle East.   
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   > Matthew 24:21–22   
   > The elect remain present during the great tribulation.   
      
   That's for the Jews and others who will still be here   
   after the Tribulation -- the Tribulation saints who   
   will be saved during the Tribulation.   
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   > John 16:33   
   > Jesus promises tribulation, not escape.   
      
   Did you miss Revelation 3:10 in your collection of   
   scriptures? Also, it would have been better if you'd   
   actually quoted the scriptures when you cited the   
   verses -- rather than just give your own synopsis   
   of what those scriptures say.   
      
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