From: theirony2013@gmail.com
On 2026-01-10 18:10, Steven Douglas wrote:
>
> Mike posted:
>>
>> THERE WILL BE NO RAPTURE !!!
>
> Yes, there will!!! I wrote about it in another thread,
> complete with the Bible's scriptures that describe how
> we will be CAUGHT UP and meet Jesus in the air! What
> would you call being CAUGHT UP and meeting Jesus in
> the air? It sounds exactly like the Rapture to me!
>>
>> OVERVIEW
>>
>> The Bible never explicitly teaches a secret, pre-tribulation rapture.
>
> Yes, actually it does. Especially when you also take
> this into consideration:
>
> {quoting Jesus] "Because you have kept My command to
> persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial
> which shall come upon the whole world, to test those
> who dwell on the earth." [end quote] Revelation 3:10
>>
>> Many passages directly contradict its core claims:
>> Two-stage return of Christ
>
> For the Rapture, we meet Jesus in the air. He does
> not return all the way to the earth for that one.
> But He does come all the way back for the Second
> Coming, during which He will set foot in Jerusalem
> having returned the way He departed.
>>
>> Believers escaping tribulation
>
> I just posted that, just above, citing Revelation 3:10.
>>
>> A secret disappearance of the church
>
> I'm not sure it will be secret. But there will be people
> taken and others left behind.
>>
>> ONE VISIBLE, SINGULAR RETURN OF CHRIST
>
> The one in which He sets foot in Jerusalem? Absolutely.
>>
>> Matthew 24:27
>> Christ's coming is like lightning across the sky, public and obvious.
>
> Yes, that will be the one when He returns to the earth.
>>
>> Matthew 24:30–31
>> All people see him.
>
> Yes, when He returns to Jerusalem.
>>
>> The elect are gathered at his visible return.
>
> Those will be the Tribulation saints, who will have
> been taught by the 144,000 who will preach the Gospel
> to those who are still here after the Rapture.
>>
>> Acts 1:9–11
>> Jesus returns the same visible way he departed.
>
> Yes, when He comes back and sets foot in Jerusalem.
I can't see Jerusalem from my location in Vancouver.
In fact, Jerusalem is underground through the globe
from my location.
>>
>> Hebrews 9:28
>> Christ appears a second time, not multiple times.
>
> I agree, we'll meet Him in the air for the Rapture.
> Then He'll come all the way back for the Second
> Coming when He actually returns to earth.
How is that technically possible, seeing that the
earth is a sphere 8,000 miles in diameter? Up for
me is down for those on the opposite side of the
globe in Jerusalem.
>>
>> BELIEVERS PRESENT DURING TRIBULATION
>>
>> Matthew 24:9–13
>> Believers are persecuted and must endure to the end.
>
> That's actually going on in the world right now. You
> may not know about it, but there are Christians being
> murdered every day in parts of the Middle East.
>>
>> Matthew 24:21–22
>> The elect remain present during the great tribulation.
>
> That's for the Jews and others who will still be here
> after the Tribulation -- the Tribulation saints who
> will be saved during the Tribulation.
>>
>> John 16:33
>> Jesus promises tribulation, not escape.
>
> Did you miss Revelation 3:10 in your collection of
> scriptures? Also, it would have been better if you'd
> actually quoted the scriptures when you cited the
> verses -- rather than just give your own synopsis
> of what those scriptures say.
When I do that, it's difficult to resist the
temptation to tweak the text to my liking.
Then you will complain that I'm being dishonest.
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