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   Mike  posted:   
   > On 2026-01-10 18:10, Steven Douglas wrote:   
   > > Mike  posted:   
   > >>   
   > >> THERE WILL BE NO RAPTURE !!!   
   > >   
   > > Yes, there will!!! I wrote about it in another thread,   
   > > complete with the Bible's scriptures that describe how   
   > > we will be CAUGHT UP and meet Jesus in the air! What   
   > > would you call being CAUGHT UP and meeting Jesus in   
   > > the air? It sounds exactly like the Rapture to me!   
   > >>   
   > >> OVERVIEW   
   > >>   
   > >> The Bible never explicitly teaches a secret, pre-tribulation rapture.   
   > >   
   > > Yes, actually it does. Especially when you also take   
   > > this into consideration:   
   > >   
   > > {quoting Jesus] "Because you have kept My command to   
   > > persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial   
   > > which shall come upon the whole world, to test those   
   > > who dwell on the earth." [end quote] Revelation 3:10   
   > >>   
   > >> Many passages directly contradict its core claims:   
   > >> Two-stage return of Christ   
   > >   
   > > For the Rapture, we meet Jesus in the air. He does   
   > > not return all the way to the earth for that one.   
   > > But He does come all the way back for the Second   
   > > Coming, during which He will set foot in Jerusalem   
   > > having returned the way He departed.   
   > >>   
   > >> Believers escaping tribulation   
   > >   
   > > I just posted that, just above, citing Revelation 3:10.   
   > >>   
   > >> A secret disappearance of the church   
   > >   
   > > I'm not sure it will be secret. But there will be people   
   > > taken and others left behind.   
   > >>   
   > >> ONE VISIBLE, SINGULAR RETURN OF CHRIST   
   > >   
   > > The one in which He sets foot in Jerusalem? Absolutely.   
   > >>   
   > >> Matthew 24:27   
   > >> Christ's coming is like lightning across the sky, public and obvious.   
   > >   
   > > Yes, that will be the one when He returns to the earth.   
   > >>   
   > >> Matthew 24:30–31   
   > >> All people see him.   
   > >   
   > > Yes, when He returns to Jerusalem.   
   > >>   
   > >> The elect are gathered at his visible return.   
   > >   
   > > Those will be the Tribulation saints, who will have   
   > > been taught by the 144,000 who will preach the Gospel   
   > > to those who are still here after the Rapture.   
   > >>   
   > >> Acts 1:9–11   
   > >> Jesus returns the same visible way he departed.   
   > >   
   > > Yes, when He comes back and sets foot in Jerusalem.   
   >   
   > I can't see Jerusalem from my location in Vancouver.   
   > In fact, Jerusalem is underground through the globe   
   > from my location.   
      
   Jesus said, "For as lightning that comes from the east   
   is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of   
   the Son of Man." Matthew 24:27   
      
   If you're still in Vancouver when Jesus returns to   
   Jerusalem, you'll know it. You'll see the indication   
   in the sky. Maybe He'll make a trip around the world   
   to announce His return. In any case, you'll know that   
   He's back.   
   >   
   > >> Hebrews 9:28   
   > >> Christ appears a second time, not multiple times.   
   > >   
   > > I agree, we'll meet Him in the air for the Rapture.   
   > > Then He'll come all the way back for the Second   
   > > Coming when He actually returns to earth.   
   >   
   > How is that technically possible,   
      
   He's Jesus -- all things are possible with Jesus.   
   >   
   > seeing that the   
   > earth is a sphere 8,000 miles in diameter? Up for   
   > me is down for those on the opposite side of the   
   > globe in Jerusalem.   
      
   Don't worry, Mike. If you're still in Vancouver, you   
   will know when Jesus returns. In fact, from what Jesus   
   says about it, you won't be able to miss it, even if   
   you try.   
   >   
   > >> BELIEVERS PRESENT DURING TRIBULATION   
   > >>   
   > >> Matthew 24:9–13   
   > >> Believers are persecuted and must endure to the end.   
   > >   
   > > That's actually going on in the world right now. You   
   > > may not know about it, but there are Christians being   
   > > murdered every day in parts of the Middle East.   
   > >>   
   > >> Matthew 24:21–22   
   > >> The elect remain present during the great tribulation.   
   > >   
   > > That's for the Jews and others who will still be here   
   > > after the Tribulation -- the Tribulation saints who   
   > > will be saved during the Tribulation.   
   > >>   
   > >> John 16:33   
   > >> Jesus promises tribulation, not escape.   
   > >   
   > > Did you miss Revelation 3:10 in your collection of   
   > > scriptures? Also, it would have been better if you'd   
   > > actually quoted the scriptures when you cited the   
   > > verses -- rather than just give your own synopsis   
   > > of what those scriptures say.   
   >   
   > When I do that, it's difficult to resist the   
   > temptation to tweak the text to my liking.   
   > Then you will complain that I'm being dishonest.   
      
   Yes, you're the type of deceiver that the Bible   
   warns about. Thanks for admitting it.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)