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   On 2026-01-11 22:21, Steven Douglas wrote:   
   >   
   > Mike  posted:   
   >> On 2026-01-10 18:10, Steven Douglas wrote:   
   >>> Mike  posted:   
   >>>>   
   >>>> THERE WILL BE NO RAPTURE !!!   
   >>>   
   >>> Yes, there will!!! I wrote about it in another thread,   
   >>> complete with the Bible's scriptures that describe how   
   >>> we will be CAUGHT UP and meet Jesus in the air! What   
   >>> would you call being CAUGHT UP and meeting Jesus in   
   >>> the air? It sounds exactly like the Rapture to me!   
   >>>>   
   >>>> OVERVIEW   
   >>>>   
   >>>> The Bible never explicitly teaches a secret, pre-tribulation rapture.   
   >>>   
   >>> Yes, actually it does. Especially when you also take   
   >>> this into consideration:   
   >>>   
   >>> {quoting Jesus] "Because you have kept My command to   
   >>> persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial   
   >>> which shall come upon the whole world, to test those   
   >>> who dwell on the earth." [end quote] Revelation 3:10   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Many passages directly contradict its core claims:   
   >>>> Two-stage return of Christ   
   >>>   
   >>> For the Rapture, we meet Jesus in the air. He does   
   >>> not return all the way to the earth for that one.   
   >>> But He does come all the way back for the Second   
   >>> Coming, during which He will set foot in Jerusalem   
   >>> having returned the way He departed.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Believers escaping tribulation   
   >>>   
   >>> I just posted that, just above, citing Revelation 3:10.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> A secret disappearance of the church   
   >>>   
   >>> I'm not sure it will be secret. But there will be people   
   >>> taken and others left behind.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> ONE VISIBLE, SINGULAR RETURN OF CHRIST   
   >>>   
   >>> The one in which He sets foot in Jerusalem? Absolutely.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Matthew 24:27   
   >>>> Christ's coming is like lightning across the sky, public and obvious.   
   >>>   
   >>> Yes, that will be the one when He returns to the earth.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Matthew 24:30–31   
   >>>> All people see him.   
   >>>   
   >>> Yes, when He returns to Jerusalem.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> The elect are gathered at his visible return.   
   >>>   
   >>> Those will be the Tribulation saints, who will have   
   >>> been taught by the 144,000 who will preach the Gospel   
   >>> to those who are still here after the Rapture.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Acts 1:9–11   
   >>>> Jesus returns the same visible way he departed.   
   >>>   
   >>> Yes, when He comes back and sets foot in Jerusalem.   
   >>   
   >> I can't see Jerusalem from my location in Vancouver.   
   >> In fact, Jerusalem is underground through the globe   
   >> from my location.   
   >   
   > Jesus said, "For as lightning that comes from the east   
   > is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of   
   > the Son of Man." Matthew 24:27   
   >   
   > If you're still in Vancouver when Jesus returns to   
   > Jerusalem, you'll know it. You'll see the indication   
   > in the sky. Maybe He'll make a trip around the world   
   > to announce His return. In any case, you'll know that   
   > He's back.   
   >>   
   >>>> Hebrews 9:28   
   >>>> Christ appears a second time, not multiple times.   
   >>>   
   >>> I agree, we'll meet Him in the air for the Rapture.   
   >>> Then He'll come all the way back for the Second   
   >>> Coming when He actually returns to earth.   
   >>   
   >> How is that technically possible,   
   >   
   > He's Jesus -- all things are possible with Jesus.   
   >>   
   >> seeing that the   
   >> earth is a sphere 8,000 miles in diameter? Up for   
   >> me is down for those on the opposite side of the   
   >> globe in Jerusalem.   
   >   
   > Don't worry, Mike. If you're still in Vancouver, you   
   > will know when Jesus returns. In fact, from what Jesus   
   > says about it, you won't be able to miss it, even if   
   > you try.   
      
      
      
   A literal rapture fails not because the   
   Earth is spherical, but because global   
   simultaneity does not exist. On a rotating   
   planet with time zones and no universal   
   “now” (per relativity), an event happening   
   everywhere at once cannot be a normal   
   physical occurrence. To preserve literalism,   
   one must assume time itself is suspended,   
   which moves the rapture from a historical   
   event into symbolic or metaphysical territory.   
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
   >>   
   >>>> BELIEVERS PRESENT DURING TRIBULATION   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Matthew 24:9–13   
   >>>> Believers are persecuted and must endure to the end.   
   >>>   
   >>> That's actually going on in the world right now. You   
   >>> may not know about it, but there are Christians being   
   >>> murdered every day in parts of the Middle East.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Matthew 24:21–22   
   >>>> The elect remain present during the great tribulation.   
   >>>   
   >>> That's for the Jews and others who will still be here   
   >>> after the Tribulation -- the Tribulation saints who   
   >>> will be saved during the Tribulation.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> John 16:33   
   >>>> Jesus promises tribulation, not escape.   
   >>>   
   >>> Did you miss Revelation 3:10 in your collection of   
   >>> scriptures? Also, it would have been better if you'd   
   >>> actually quoted the scriptures when you cited the   
   >>> verses -- rather than just give your own synopsis   
   >>> of what those scriptures say.   
   >>   
   >> When I do that, it's difficult to resist the   
   >> temptation to tweak the text to my liking.   
   >> Then you will complain that I'm being dishonest.   
   >   
   > Yes, you're the type of deceiver that the Bible   
   > warns about. Thanks for admitting it.   
      
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