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Mike posted:
> On 2026-01-15 23:07, Steven Douglas wrote:
> > Mike posted:
> >> On 2026-01-15 17:53, Steven Douglas wrote:
> >>> JTEM posted:
> >>>> On 1/15/26 7:33 PM, Steven Douglas wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Some estimates are that 30 MILLION lives were saved when
> >>>>> the Japanese leaders came to their senses and surrendered.
> >>>>> Not that any of this information will affect your moral
> >>>>> confusion, which I'm sure you will continue to exhibit on
> >>>>> a regular basis.
> >>>>
> >>>> I have a very different perspective.
> >>>>
> >>>> The Japanese were not signers to the Geneva Convention. They
> >>>> were opposed to the very idea of "Rules of war," and from
> >>>> the beginning SHOCKED the allies with their cruelty. They
> >>>> regularly enslaved, tortured and even murdered prisoners.
> >>>> They conducted rape on an industrial scale, quite literally,
> >>>> forcing women to serve their ranks as "Comfort Girls" i.e.
> >>>> prostitutes. They conducted medical experiments on prisoners,
> >>>> both military and civilian. They laced cigarettes with opium
> >>>> for sale in their conquered territories to make them even
> >>>> more addictive. They even employed chemical and biological
> >>>> weapons on occasion. And, for the defense of their homeland,
> >>>> they were mobilizing, WEAPONIZING the entire population.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ending the war meant invading Japan and invading Japan meant
> >>>> a war against the population. Not an army but the population,
> >>>> because the Japanese war machine had mobilized/weaponized the
> >>>> civilians.
> >>>>
> >>>> The U.S. military stockpiled chemical weapons -- nerve agents,
> >>>> I believe -- for use in the invasion BECAUSE they would not
> >>>> be fighting an army but literally EVERYBODY. They wanted an
> >>>> area weapon. They also had already slugged it through insane
> >>>> battles with the Japanese held up in any hole the could dig or
> >>>> cave they could find. Gas is a great weapon.
> >>>>
> >>>> Oo! The Japanese view that the lives of their own people were
> >>>> without value also came at a price. Banzai charges, suicide
> >>>> missiles and subs, feigning surrender to attack the soldiers
> >>>> taking them prisoner... the wounded murdering medics trying to
> >>>> help them... KAMIKAZE ATTACKS...
> >>>>
> >>>> The problem here is the mentality. After spending every waking
> >>>> moment trying to convince your enemy that your lives are
> >>>> absolutely worthless, your enemy starts to believe you. AND
> >>>> THEN the allies find out that the entire population -- men,
> >>>> women & children -- were being mobilized as suicide fighters!
> >>>>
> >>>> Why wouldn't you gas them?
> >>>>
> >>>> And once the atomic bombs were ready, why not drop them
> >>>> instead?
> >>>>
> >>>> Given what was going on THEN, given what the men fighting that
> >>>> war SAW WITH THEIR OWN EYES, what THEY EXPECTED TO HAPPEN TO
> >>>> THEM, what they were going to have to do... why not just nuke
> >>>> them?
> >>>>
> >>>> BUT, there was one more factor: Stalin!
> >>>>
> >>>> Stalin had entered the war. The allies didn't just want Japan
> >>>> to surrender, they wanted Japan to surrender QUICKLY, before
> >>>> Stalin gobbled up too much of Asia for the Soviet Union. Only
> >>>> the "Atom Bomb" offered hope for that.
> >>>>
> >>>> I honestly have no doubt that ANYONE, or virtually anyone, who
> >>>> lived at that time, knew what was at stake, knew how Japan had
> >>>> conducted the war and knew what American troops could expect...
> >>>> I don't believe that ANYONE would have said "No" to the bomb.
> >>>>
> >>>> Anyone who claims otherwise is either mistaking their hindsight
> >>>> for insight or is sadly misinformed.
> >>>
> >>> Wow, that was an excellent post. Sometimes you amaze
> >>> me with the clarity of your opinions, and this one
> >>> is as good as it gets. I just hope Mike is able to
> >>> comprehend what you wrote.
> >>
> >> I found it fascinating too, only problem is I have no
> >> way to validate if it's true, and I don't just trust
> >> information and I am no expert on these subjects.
> >
> > It's obvious that you're no expert on this topic,
> > but just having a halfway decent education would
> > have informed you that the basic facts that JTEM
> > laid out are historically accurate.
>
> My education is mostly in Math, Physics and Computer Science.
> Those are far more productive things to know.
>
> >>
> >>
> >> The comment mixes real historical facts with
> >> sweeping generalizations and moral certainty.
> >>
> >> It is true that Imperial Japan committed
> >> severe war crimes: mistreatment of prisoners,
> >> forced labor, medical experimentation, mass
> >> rape, and the coercion of women into sexual
> >> slavery known as "comfort women." Japan had
> >> not ratified the 1929 Geneva Convention on
> >> POWs, though this does not excuse its conduct.
> >> These realities hardened Allied attitudes.
> >>
> >> However, the argument shifts from explaining
> >> context to justifying actions, and from
> >> analysis to dehumanization.
> >>
> >> The claim that Japan "weaponized the entire
> >> population" is exaggerated.
> >
> > They were in the process of doing that, no matter
> > what CrapGPT says about it.
>
> Are you asking me to trust you?
No, but I will suggest to you that you get an education
before you come on here and display your ignorance.
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