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   Mike  posted:   
   > On 2026-01-16 14:18, Steven Douglas wrote:   
   > > Mike  posted:   
   > >> On 2026-01-16 11:29, Steven Douglas wrote:   
   > >>> Mike  posted:   
   > >>>> On 2026-01-15 23:31, Steven Douglas wrote:   
   > >>>>> Mike  posted:   
   > >>>>>> On 2026-01-15 17:58, Steven Douglas wrote:   
   > >>>>>>> Mike  posted:   
   > >>>>>>>> On 2026-01-15 17:48, Steven Douglas wrote:   
   > >>>>>>>>> Mike  posted:   
   > >>>>>>>>>> On 2026-01-15 16:33, Steven Douglas wrote:   
   > >>>>>>>>>>> Mike  posted:   
   > >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>>>>>>> Frying 250,000 innocent people is defending yourself?   
   > >>>>>>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>>>>>> I realize you know nothing about history. I realize that   
   > >>>>>>>>>>> you're also very morally confused. So I will attempt to   
   > >>>>>>>>>>> educate you on the topic of Hiroshima and Nakasaki.   
   > >>>>>>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>>>>>> The Japanese leaders were choosing to surrender when the   
   > >>>>>>>>>>> U.S. military was closing in on their home country. They   
   > >>>>>>>>>>> were continuing to fight, and with the battle of Okinawa   
   > >>>>>>>>>>> (which I'm sure you know nothing about), they gave every   
   > >>>>>>>>>>> indication that they planned to fight to the death before   
   > >>>>>>>>>>> they would surrender.   
   > >>>>>>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>>>>>> Hiroshima and Nagasaki were military industrial targets.   
   > >>>>>>>>>>> Those cities produced weapons and equipment for Japan's   
   > >>>>>>>>>>> military. Many of the people who lived there worked in   
   > >>>>>>>>>>> those factories. The atomic bombs were used to shock the   
   > >>>>>>>>>>> Japanese leaders into realizing there was no point in   
   > >>>>>>>>>>> fighting to the death.   
   > >>>>>>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>>>>>> Some estimates are that 30 MILLION lives were saved when   
   > >>>>>>>>>>> the Japanese leaders came to their senses and surrendered.   
   > >>>>>>>>>>> Not that any of this information will affect your moral   
   > >>>>>>>>>>> confusion, which I'm sure you will continue to exhibit on   
   > >>>>>>>>>>> a regular basis.   
   > >>>>>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>>>>> Thee is no way to prove any of that.   
   > >>>>>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>>>>> I'm talking about your own morality, and you keep   
   > >>>>>>>>>> trying to deflect, change it into something else.   
   > >>>>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>>>> My morality has nothing to do with it. Your moral   
   > >>>>>>>>> confusion, however, has everything to do with how   
   > >>>>>>>>> ill-informed you are.   
   > >>>>>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>>>>> Even if I had to kill an enemy in self defense   
   > >>>>>>>>>> I would feel very remorseful at having to   
   > >>>>>>>>>> resort to those measures.   
   > >>>>>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>>>>> You on the other hand relish in your glee   
   > >>>>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>>>> You know nothing about me, Mike. You have invented   
   > >>>>>>>>> a caricature of me in your imagination, and you   
   > >>>>>>>>> have projected that caricature onto me even though   
   > >>>>>>>>> it's a false caricature.   
   > >>>>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>>>> As for your moral confusion, I hope you read JTEM's   
   > >>>>>>>>> post that I just read -- it's very good, and it   
   > >>>>>>>>> might help to educate you since you are completely   
   > >>>>>>>>> ill-informed and morally confused on this topic.   
   > >>>>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>>>> And just so you know, Mike, -- the United States   
   > >>>>>>>>> did not start that war. The U.S. wanted to stop   
   > >>>>>>>>> Japan from enslaving the Chinese people. It's a   
   > >>>>>>>>> shame that you know nothing about any of that, or   
   > >>>>>>>>> how and why that war started -- and why it's a   
   > >>>>>>>>> good thing is ended when it did and didn't go   
   > >>>>>>>>> on and kill MANY MILLIONS MORE people.   
   > >>>>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>>>> But why am I wasting my time on trying to educate   
   > >>>>>>>>> you, when it's clear that you are too morally   
   > >>>>>>>>> confused to ever understand the reality of that   
   > >>>>>>>>> war.   
   > >>>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>>> I want to talk about your remorse, your feelings,   
   > >>>>>>>> not stuff I could look up with ChatGPT..   
   > >>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>> My remorse is that there are evil people in this   
   > >>>>>>> world who make war necessary. But I'm glad when   
   > >>>>>>> evil is defeated. Read JTEM's post and try to   
   > >>>>>>> learn something new for a change.   
   > >>>>>>   
   > >>>>>> The solution to evil is not more evil....   
   > >>>>>   
   > >>>>> The solution to evil is to defeat it. Sometimes   
   > >>>>> the only way to do that is to fight. Fighting   
   > >>>>> in self-defense is not evil, no matter how   
   > >>>>> morally confused you so obviously are.   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>> Evil cannot be 'defeated'.   
   > >>>   
   > >>> Hitler was evil. Hitler was defeated. There are   
   > >>> many examples down through history when evil was   
   > >>> defeated.   
   > >>   
   > >> If evil was defeated with Hitler, why do you   
   > >   
   > > The evil that Hitler caused was defeated. I'm not   
   > > sure why this is such a difficult concept for you   
   > > to understand.   
   >   
   > I thought we were talking about all evil in general.   
      
   Just as in any war, it's won a battle at a time; just   
   as the enemy is defeated a battle at a time.   
   >   
   > And no, I don't see that it has or will ever be   
   > vanquished.   
      
   You're right. So what you you propose, just let evil   
   run rampant without trying to defeat it?   
      
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