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   From: Robert@none.non   
      
   On May 18, 2023, James wrote   
   (in article):   
      
   > On Tue, 16 May 2023 10:47:43 -0700, Robert  wrote:   
   >   
   > > On May 16, 2023, James wrote   
   > > (in article<1ia76iltblha52ftje9oa43vo2jldk200i@4ax.com>):   
   > >   
   > > > On Mon, 15 May 2023 07:25:27 +1000, Michael McLean   
   > > >   wrote:   
   > > >   
   > > > > And...for the 5 thousandth time!   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Get it through that thick, sinful, stubborn, religious head of yours   
   and   
   > > > > into your heart!!!   
   > > > >   
   > > > > "Sinners interpret the Bible the way they want it; you do. They think   
   > > > > that their sinful state does not impinge on ANY ABILITY for them to   
   > > > > JUDGE what is righteousness and what is not!   
   > > > >   
   > > > > You even - think - you find justification in the scriptures that   
   justify   
   > > > > you being...unjust!!!"   
   > > >   
   > > > What do you have against the Bible? It is recorded Holy Spirit in   
   > > > words to mankind to live by. I have showed you many of your erroneous   
   > > > teachings from the Bible. Such as:   
   > >   
   > > Nice partial list of your lies.   
   >   
   > Your opinion is noted.   
   >   
   > > >   
   > > >   
   > > > 'Jesus is God'   
   > >   
   > > The truth of this is found in the first chapter of John, which says this.   
   > >   
   > > Joh 1:1 In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God,   
   > > and   
   > > the Word was God.   
   >   
   > A mistranslation. Bible scholars say that the wording does not follow   
   > Greek structure. Notice:   
   >   
   > "the Logos was divine." (MO);   
   > "the Word was divine." (AT; SD);   
   > "a god was the Word." (interlinear ED) ;   
   > "the Word was a god" (NTIV).   
   > "the Word was a god." (NWT)   
   > "The Word was deity." (Simple English)   
      
   YLT a word for word translation.   
      
   Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word   
   was God;   
      
   LITV   
      
   Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word   
   was God.   
      
   Never was ""a"god" in any original text, nor was it ever inferred. In fact the   
   verse literally states that at the time this earth was being recreated that   
   Jesus was with God, and that he was God. The "Logos" was a poor translation   
   into Greek of "Memra".   
      
   “The Word” is one of the highest and most profound titles of the Lord Jesus   
   Christ. To determine the exact meaning is not easy. Obviously the Lord Jesus   
   Christ is not the logos of Greek philosophy; rather He is the memra of the   
   Hebrew Scriptures. Notice how important the Word is in the Old Testament. For   
   instance, the name for Jehovah was never pronounced. It was such a holy word   
   that they never used it at all. But this is the One who is the Word and,   
   gathering up everything that was said of Him in the Old Testament, He is now   
   presented as the One “In the beginning.” This beginning antedates the very   
   first words in the Bible, “In the beginning God created the heaven and the   
   earth.” Dr. McGee   
      
   Memra is the Hebrew word for WORD With Power.   
      
   You live in darkness, with your eyes blinded and your ears deafened. As Paul   
   has stated, anyone who teaches a different Gospel, let him be accursed. So be   
   it unto you.   
      
   >   
   >   
   > If you want more info, just ask   
   > >   
   > > Joh 1:2 He existed in the beginning with God.   
   >   
   > Yes, Jesus had a beginning. (Col 1:15) God always lived. (Ps 90:2)   
      
   Lying again, you are. He came from everlasting. This Jesus is,...   
      
   Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every   
   creature:   
      
   The exact image of His Father wishing the temple of Human Flesh. Came at the   
   desire of His Father to be a sacrifice for the sins of ALL men, from Adam to   
   the last man standing. All those who believe in Him by Faith believing.   
      
   We humans also were created in His Image.   
      
   Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and   
   let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air,   
   and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that   
   creepeth upon the earth.   
      
   >   
   > >   
   > > Joh 1:3 God created everything through him, and nothing was created except   
   > > through him.   
   >   
   > Correct.(except himself)   
      
   You are not God, to correct His Word. You are a fallen man, born into sin, and   
   have not been "Born Again" to be His child, and by that standard it is written   
   that you are a child of Satan.   
   >   
   >   
   > >   
   > > Joh 1:4 The Word gave life to everything that was created, and his life   
   > > brought light to everyone.   
   >   
   > Correct   
      
   Yet the reason you do not see that light is that you have been blinded by the   
   evil one.   
   >   
   > >   
   > > Joh 1:5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness can never   
   > > extinguish it.   
   >   
   > OK   
      
   There is no doubt in this, just because you do not see it all around you, nor   
   do you hear the light because you are deafened and dwell in the hardness of   
   your heart agains the Most High God, "The Ancient One". No man knows the Father   
   but Jesus and those to whom he reveals it.   
   >   
   >   
   > >   
   > > Then a down to verse 9.   
   > >   
   > > Joh 1:9 The one who is the true light, who gives light to everyone, was   
   > > coming into the world.   
   > >   
   > > Joh 1:10 He came into the very world he created, but the world didn’t   
   > > recognize him.   
   > >   
   > > Joh 1:11 He came to his own people, and even they rejected him.   
   > >   
   > > Joh 1:12 But to all who believed him and accepted him, he gave the right to   
   > > become children of God.   
   > >   
   > > Joh 1:13 They are reborn—not with a physical birth resulting from human   
   > > passion or plan, but a birth that comes from God.   
   > >   
   > > Joh 1:14 So the Word became human and made his home among us. He was full   
   of   
   > > unfailing love and faithfulness. And we have seen his glory, the glory of   
   > > the Father’s one and only Son.   
   > >   
   > > Very clearly one can see that Jesus was the WORD which is God.   
      
   Which remains truth to this day.   
   > >   
   > >   
   > > >   
   > > > 'The wicked go to hellfire'   
   > >   
   > > It is two words, not one.   
   > >   
   > > Jesus taught,...   
   > >   
   > > Mat 5:22 But I say, if you are even angry with someone, you are subject to   
   > > judgment! If you call someone an idiot, you are in danger of being brought   
   > > before the court. And if you curse someone, you are in danger of the fires   
   > > of hell.   
   > >   
   > > Mat 18:9 And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away.   
   > > It’s better to enter eternal life with only one eye than to have two eyes   
   > > and be thrown into the fire of hell.   
   > >   
   > > Plus the second death is the Lake of Fire and Brimstone, where eternal   
   > > torture takes place.   
   > >   
   > > >   
   > > > ALL righteous people go to Heaven'   
   > >   
   > > Of course that is not true, as only those who have been made the   
      
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