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   >>A jw vatican follower robotically recites what he was spoon fed, "or else   
   >>the consequences: ":   
   >>   
   >>>Yes, they say. And here is their proof.   
   >>>   
   >>>Revelation 1:7  Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye   
   >>>will see him, every one who pierced him; and all tribes of the earth   
   >>>will wail on account of him. Even so. Amen.   
   >>>   
   >>>The book of Revelation contains the most symbolism of any Bible book.   
   >>>It has dragons, and beasts with crowns on their multi heads, and a   
   >>>lake that is on fire, etc, etc.   
   >>   
   >>Dit you see it?  Preset understanding/limit/dismiss the 2nd coming bit by   
   >>limiting it to "symbolism".  That is typical jw vatican weasal word   
   >>tactics.   
   >>   
   >>The church just celebrated the Ascension of Christ,ie. 40 days after   
   >>easter.  Here is the Acts scene of the event, is the 2nd coming to be   
   >>physical from the clouds:   
   >>   
   >>   1:10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up,   
   >>behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;   
   >>1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into   
   >>heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so   
   >>come in like manner as ye have seen him   
   >>   
   >>Does that provide any doubt of a "visible" return, "in like manner" as He   
   >>ascended?   
   >   
   Applying weasal word tactics again:   
      
   >You left out an important verse. Verse 9:   
   >   
   >Acts 1:9  And when he had said this, as they were looking on, he was   
   >lifted up, and a cloud took him out of their sight.   
   >   
   >.That is why you are so confused. Jesus disappeared in a cloud going   
   >to Heaven, and he would be in a cloud (be invisible) at his return.   
   What a total hoot, weasal wording at itsmost obvious.  A cloud of water   
   vapor caused Him to lose any future visibility is it?   
      
   Read the above again, He will come in "like manner",ie. totally visible   
   until the clouds enveloped Him; obscuring Him from being seen from below..   
      
   In "like manner" His return will be to emerge from the clouds in a reverse   
   direction; and physically descend onto the earth.   
      
   >>So why would the jw vatican push the "visible" line?  Easy, after multiple   
   >>false failed predictions for the date of His return, they borrowed the   
   >>millerite movement's excuse from the mid 19th century.   
   >> That also had multiple of the date setting predictions.  When all failed   
   >>they said He had made an "invisible" return after the last of the failed   
   >>predictions after all.   
   >   
   >Nonsense. They just followed the Bible here.See above.   
      
   Smile, sorry it just ain't gonna work.   
   >   
   >>The jw vatican founder used the same excuse saying his failed 1914   
   >>prediction was correct, it was an invisible return, sure.   
   >   
   >It was, just as the Scriptures predicted. If you want the proof, just   
   >ask.   
      
   Sure, provide the "proof".  Also explain why it was unknown for 1850 yeares   
   unntil it was invented to cover a false prophet's failure?   
      
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