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From: michaelmclean2021@outlook.com
On 14/06/2023 10:09 pm, James wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Apr 2023 08:28:20 +1000, Michael McLean
> wrote:
>
>> On 25/04/2023 8:32 pm, zebra2@windstream.net wrote:
>>> On Tue, 25 Apr 2023 09:48:30 +1000, Michael McLean
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 25/04/2023 5:21 am, zebra2@windstream.net wrote:
>>>>> (2) How do you explain this?
>>>>>
>>>>> The churches teach that when a person dies, he goes either to Heaven
>>>>> or Hell. (or Purgatory)
>>>>
>>>> It varies widely, and then there are those who are not sure. Not that I
>>>> am guided by what the 'churches' say or do, thank God!
>>>
>>> Good for you.
>>
>> Ummmm, that includes you, Fella. :-). Your club is not perfect and
>> "better than most," in your opinion, does not fill the void.
>
> Then the Bible "does not fit the void", since the JW religion is based
> SOLEY on the Bible.
>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> Thus they would expect that when Moses died, he went right to Heaven.
>>>>> And when Abraham died, he also went straight to Heaven. Etc, etc.
>>>>
>>>>> BUT JESUS SAID NO!
>>>>
>>>> If the Lord did, then it is no.
>>>
>>> Always true.
>>
>> :-). As long as you interpret His words correctly.
>>
>> What way is that? Our trying to be perfect sinner church way. :-).
>
> The apostle Paul set the example. He REASONED on the Scriptures in his
> teaching works. (Acts 17:2,3)
Reasoning is not the answer, faith is.
>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> -- Revised Standard
>>>>> John 3:13 No one has ascended into heaven but he who descended from
>>>>> heaven, the Son of man.
>>
>> Michael wrote:
>>>> At that time, James. Does nothing change? If so, then no one is saved.
>>
>> James wrote:
>>> On the contrary, Jesus promised salvation:
>>>
>>> -- New King James
>>> Matthew 24:13 "But he who endures to the end shall be saved
>>
>> You have moved away the context.
>>
>> You didn't address the question.
>>
>> Does nothing change? Since John 3:13?
>>
>> You conveniently swept aside the bible verses I posted.
>>
>> So, if you are not going to even try to be sincere, James, I don't see
>> why I should bother.
>
> If that us how you interpret my comments, then it's better that you
> don't.
A sinner is insincere, James, whether they know it or not.
You still haven't got that in your glory.
>>> And what do we have to do to get it?
>>
>>> -- Living Bible
>>> 1 John 2:17 And this world is fading away, and these evil, forbidden
>>> things will go with it, but whoever keeps doing the will of God will
>>> live forever.
>>
>> You either do or you don't. There is no revolving door.
>
> Yes, just as Jesus said at Mt 24:13.
>>
>> As the Lord said...
>>
>> Luke 17:33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and
>> whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
>>
>> Remember, you said it, "Always true" or is it, as long as it doesn't
>> clash with our church theology?
>
> Church theology and the Bible, can be two different things.
There you go then.
There is no revolving door, it is all or nothing.
Luke 17:33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and
whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
Before you don't march off to war as a righteousness platform, the above
applies no matter what you do.
> For
> example, how many churches were directly or indirectly involved in
> WW2?
>
> Yet their professed leader, Jesus, said this at Mt 5:44:
>
> -- Revised Standard
> Matthew 5:44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those
> who persecute you,
>
> Looks like the churches ripped that page out of their Bibles.
If your church and the bible can be two different things, that is all
you need to know.
My advice is to get out of them, all of them...including yours.
There is nothing worse than lying sinners who are not prepared to lose
their lives for a worthy God.
Michael
>
> Sincerely James
> The whole world is
> in a mental mess
> 6/14/23
> Go to jw.org
>
>
> Sincerely James
> The whole world is
> in a mental mess
> 6/14/23
> Go to jw.org
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>> Sincerely James
>>> What is the
>>> kingdom of God?
>>> 4/25/2023
>>> Go to jw.org
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Eph_1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who
>>>> hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
>>>>
>>>> Eph_2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in
>>>> heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
>>>>
>>>> Also, the Lord Jesus Christ is more than a mere man - no problem.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Michael
--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.
Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.
Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.
Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.
"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."
"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."
"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."
"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do, it is what you are."
"Compromise will condemn you."
"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."
"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."
"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"
"The way of truth is the testimony of life."
"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."
"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."
"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."
"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."
"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."
"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."
"Priority is everything."
"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."
"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."
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