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From: none@none.con
On Jun 19, 2023, James wrote
(in article):
> On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 11:56:06 -0700, No one wrote:
>
> > On Jun 18, 2023, James wrote
> > (in article<12tt8iti2rt6c781gtl32t5ql6q01ndah7@4ax.com>):
> >
> > > (17) Christmas: A Christian celebration?
> > > James
> > > June 18, 2023 at 6:26:51 AM PDT
> > >
> > > Christmas: A Christian celebration?
> > >
> > > Of course, many would say. It is a celebration of the birth of our
> > > Lord.
> >
> > It is to many.
> >
> > > But is that all there is to it? No!
> >
> > Of course not. Tell us How many Angels in the heavens celebrated that Day?
>
> The Bible doesn't say. So neither do I.
Point is that his birthday was celebrated by the Heavenly hosts.
>
>
> > Why was their Joy so overflowing that they also announced the day to men?
>
> Because a savior was born.
For men but not for them was he born.
>
> >
> > And why was the time of year covered up by men and the the tradition of men
> > now takes as truth? What was the original time and Date? Do you know?
>
> Again, the Bible doesn't say exactly. The shepherds were living
> outdoors, so it wasn't;'t December. There are no Scriptures which
> provides that information.
Oh but it does, it did not tell you the date, day and time, but it offers up
more than enough clues, including the actions of men demanding that they
returned to the place of their birth to be counted.
>
>
> >
> > >
> > > What does the obese man in the red suit have to do with the birth of
> > > Jesus? What about the LIES told about him? He rides on flying
> > > reindeer.
> >
> > Well.... You just told a lie, everyone knows he rode in a chariot.
>
> I never said he hopped on reindeer and rode them.
Deceitful? You stated that "He rides on reindeer". Not in a chariot. There is
a huge difference.
>
>
> > > Parks on your roof, then slides down your chimney. Yeow!!!
> >
> > Most homes have no chimneys today, so people know that it cannot be true.
>
> Most people today don't accept any of the story to be true. But lots
> of children are fooled.
But not all. And not many, and most of the children in the world never heard
of him.
>
>
> > >
> > > is what he says when the householder has a fire in the fireplace.
> > > After all it is December.
> >
> > You forget that the month of December is the beginning of summer in other
> > areas of the world.
>
> And is winter in many areas of the world.
Yes, but we are speaking of a specific area and so reasonable people check
their facts out before they speak.
>
> > >
> > > Since he does that millions of times, his red suit should turn out
> > > black. And he brings gifts to millions of people. Either his carriage
> > > is 1/2 mile long, or he found some way to shrink all those packages.
> > > He would also have to break the sound barrier more than once to make
> > > all those deliveries on time.>
> > Good thing it is not the stroke of midnight at the same time around all the
> > world, eh?
> > Who said he doesn't fly back n forth and carries only enough for the zip
> > code. Think of the whole world and those countries he does not fly to
> > because they never heard of him, and lets not forget all the bad JW's to
whose homes
> > he avoids like the plague. ;)
>
> Since he doesn't even exist, what you say has no meaning.
Are you kidding me? You were the one surmising all pf this happening,
therefor playing along with your games led to this.
So why then did you bring up Santa if he never existed in the first place?
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > `Even the religious account has flaws.
> >
> > Only the ones who abide by the traditions of men. The scriptures offset
> > their flaws as it does the beliefs of your cult.
>
> What beliefs? Be specific. JW's go only by the Bible. One of the few,
> if not the only one, that does so.
You go by the Bible in concert with your books of dogmas as decreed by the
cult.
>
> > >
> > > And this one. The wise men (Greek, "magoi"; actually they were pagan
> > > astrologers. See what God thinks of astrologers at De 18:10-12 and Isa
> > > 47:13,14) never visited the "baby" Jesus in a "manger", they visited
> > > the "child" Jesus in a "house".
> >
> > This was due to the prophecy of Daniel who was one of the wisest
astronomers
> > in his day,
>
> Astrology is not astronomy.
Yes and so?
>
>
> > and he foretold of the Star of David in a pagan land, hid
> > reputation was world wide for being accurate, which is why that particular
> > sign in the heavens was being looked for. You were told of this decades ago
>
> Actually, that was a star of Satan.
No proof?
>
>
> > So when will it be that you might be coming to the understanding of truth
> > and realize that you cannot come to God the Father but through God the Son?
>
> I "reallize" Bible truths. Not the teachings of men. There is no 'God
> the Son'. There is Jehovah, and His Son, Jesus. You need to study your
> Bible more carefully./
Jehovah is Jesus in the flesh.
“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh
unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my
Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.” (Joh
14:6-7)
Obviously you missed this?
>
> >
> > Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no
man
> > cometh unto the Father, but by me.
> >
> > Joh 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from
> > henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
> >
> > Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth
> > us.
> >
> > Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet
> > hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father;
> > and how sayest thou then,Shew us the Father?
> >
> > Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?
> > the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that
> > dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
>
> "myself". Two separate wills here.
True, but in concert. So what is the surprise?
>
> >
> > Joh 14:11 Believe me that I amin the Father, and the Father in me: or else
> > believe me for the very works' sake.
>
> Jesus NEVER said he was the Father. Jesus and the people he was with
> most of the time, agreed he was God's Son.
Are you surprised? That has been his point all along. Even when time came for
Him to be sacrificed he asks his Father if there was any other way, he was
under great stress. Yet he said, Nevertheless, not my will but yours be done.
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