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   >>Friend james tried to pull a fast one on us.  He said the only scripture   
   >>thatt speaks of the physical return of Christ is this and it must be   
   >>discounted because the book containing it is full of symbols:   
   >   
   >I don't discount any Scriptures. They are all in the Bible for a   
   >reason.   
      
   Smile, the just vatican tries to make the Rev. a lower scripture by   
   attaching "symbol" to discount it  >>   
   >>>>>>Revelation 1:7 Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will   
   >>>>>>see him, every one who pierced him; and all tribes of the earth   
   >>>>>>will wail on account of him. Even so. Amen.   
   >   
   >Yes, Revelation is full of symbolism. To get at the truth, one must   
   >take that into consideration.   
      
   And who is the "source" of such "truth" and how do we know they are   
   credable?>   
      
   >First of all, notice he is coming WITH THE CLOUDS. Clouds block things   
   >from our vision. Clouds in this book can mean invisibility.Otherwise   
   >it would say he came with a blue, clear sky.   
   Sorry friend james, you are making up such answers.  The Acts account said   
   He rose fully visible into clouds.  The angels present said He would come   
   again "in like manner"; which must mean visable.   
      
   >>Not so fast we say, the account of His ascention at Acts 1:6-11 has Him   
   >>physically rising into the clouds.  Two angels present said not to dispir   
   >>because He would return in the same manner He hadd departed,ie. He would   
   >>physically return from the clouds.   
   >   
   >Actually, another Scripture can help you interpret it correctly.   
   >Notice Jesus words here:   
   >   
   >- New Revised Standard with Apocrypha   
   >John 14:19 In a little while the world will no longer see me, but you   
   >will see me; because I live, you also will live.   
   >   
   >Jesus plainly said the WORLD will NOT see him anymore. Thus the "eye"   
   >in Revelation is their mind's eye, not any literal eye.   
   >   
   Sorry friend james, just more jw vatican lame excuses; in this case   
   twisting clear language to mean something different not there.  He would   
   not   
   be   
   "seen" because of the coming ascention.   
   >If you are reading the Revelation Scripture literally, then you make   
   >Jesus out to be a LIAR. Our interpretation lets everything make sense.   
   >The Bible should make sense, and not be contradicting other   
   >Scriptures.   
   >   
   Sorry friend james, "our".ie the jw vatican falls flat on its face on   
   this.  The "contridiction" was invnted when first the Rev. was deemed   
   "symbolic" to make the claim work.   
   >>   
   >>So much for the jw vatican fairy tale.   
   >   
   >So much for servant calling Jesus a liar.Sorry, but that is what you   
   >are doing.   
   >   
   Smile, not even close, read the real meaning of His statement above again;   
   leaving out the jw vatican's self serving attempt to "fix" scripture after   
   the fact.   
      
   >> Why did they concoct it?  Because   
   >>they had concocted other places in their ever changing invented "theory of   
   >>scripture" that required He be invisible.  So they had to scramble to "fix"   
   >>scripture to not refute the new doctrines.   
   >   
   >Dream on servant. Are you a servant of God or Satan? You need to   
   >choose.Satan wants you to contradict the Bible in order to downgrade   
   >it. He has been doing that for centuries.   
      
   When all else  fails, make a prsonal attac to discredit.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)