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On Jun 24, 2023, James wrote
(in article):
> On Thu, 22 Jun 2023 12:35:34 -0700, No one wrote:
>
> > On Jun 22, 2023, James wrote
> > (in article<8fh89ihkk6cvni5dhr2gp0q09p1cug9i46@4ax.com>):
> >
> > > On Mon, 19 Jun 2023 15:31:24 -0700, No one wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Jun 19, 2023, James wrote
> > > > (in article):
> > > >
> > > > > On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 12:13:14 -0700, No one wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Jun 18, 2023, James wrote
> > > > > > (in article):
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > The 3 wisemen visited the baby Jesus?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Visit of the Wise Men
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mat 2: 1NOW WHEN Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days
of
> > > > > > Herod
> > > > > > the king, behold, wise men [astrologers] from the east came to
> > > > > > Jerusalem,
> > > > > > asking,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mat 2:2 Where is He Who has been born King of the Jews? For we
have seen
> > > > > > His
> > > > > > star in the east at its rising and have come to worship Him. [Num
24:17;
> > > > > > Jer
> > > > > > 23:5; Zec 9:9]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mat 2:3 When Herod the king heard this, he was disturbedand
troubled,
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > whole of Jerusalem with him.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mat 2:4 So he called together all the chief priests and learned men
> > > > > > (scribes)
> > > > > > of the people and anxiously asked them where the Christ was to be
born.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mat 2:5 They replied to him, In Bethlehem of Judea, for so it is
written
> > > > > > by
> > > > > > the prophet:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mat 2:6 And you Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, you are not in
any way
> > > > > > least
> > > > > > or insignificant among the chief cities of Judah; for from you
shall
> > > > > > come
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > Ruler (Leader) Who will govern and shepherd My people Israel. [Mic
5:2]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mat 2:7 Then Herod sent for the wise men [astrologers] secretly,
and
> > > > > > accurately to the last point ascertained from them the time of the
> > > > > > appearing
> > > > > > of the star [that is, how long the star had made itself visible
since
> > > > > > its
> > > > > > rising in the east].
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mat 2:8 Then he sent them to Bethlehem, saying, Go and search for
the
> > > > > > Child
> > > > > > carefully and diligently, and when you have found Him, bring me
word,
> > > > > > that I
> > > > > > too may come and worship Him.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mat 2:9 When they had listened to the king, they went their way,
and
> > > > > > behold,
> > > > > > the star which had been seen in the east in its rising went before
them
> > > > > > until
> > > > > > it came and stood over the place where the young Child was.
> > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mat 2:10 When they saw the star, they were thrilled with ecstatic
joy.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mat 2:11 And on going into the house, they saw the Child with Mary
His
> > > > > > mother, and they fell down and worshiped Him. Then opening their
> > > > > > treasure
> > > > > > bags, they presented to Him gifts--gold and frankincense and myrrh.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mat 2:12 And receiving an answer to their asking, they were
divinely
> > > > > > instructed and warned in a dream not to go back to Herod; so they
> > > > > > departed
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > their own country by a different way.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Notice, they were looking for the "Messiah" and all of Jerusalem
was a
> > > > > > buzz
> > > > > > about these things. Do you really feel they left, as pagans?
> > >
> > > Yes, they were astrologers, thus pagans.
> >
> > “And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars;
> > and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the
> > waves roaring;” (Luk 21:25)
> >
> > Well?
>
> Well what?
You claimed that was pagan.
>
>
> > >
> > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now then, being as you say you believe ALL the Bible, do you now
believe
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > Jesus is the Christ?
> > > > >
> > > > > 1 + 1 = 2. I never doubted it. Jesus is the Son of God, and the
> > > > > Messiah, the Christ.
> > > >
> > > > If that is the case then 5-10 years ago you were lying to everyone
since
> > > > you
> > > > and the JW's were utterly opposed to Jesus denying both his deity and
> > > > divinity.
> > >
> > > We defined him just as the Bible does. He is God's Son. (John 10:36)
> >
> > And for that reason the Jews sought to kill him for claiming he was God.
>
> The Jews claimed lots of things and are wrong most of the time. It's
> no different here.
You are thoroughly confused.
The Jews claim that like the JW's that Jesus was a mere man, and that from
what they heard Jesus say, that Jesus was "claiming to be God" and that was
the reason they sought to stone him. Which is what the JW of today would do
if Jesus were to in one of their meetings stand up and state that they were
the same as God.
>
>
> > >
> > >
> > > > Even as I recall denying that Jesus rose from the dead.
> > >
> > > Your recall is all wrong. The resurrection of Jesus was and is, a main
> > > tenet of JW doctrines.
> >
> > Since when? It was not always that way.
>
> Since at least 1050's. That's as far back that I go for Watchtowers.
> Here is a segment:
Jehovah's Witnesses originated as a branch of the Bible Student movement,
which developed in the United States in the 1870s among followers of
Christian restorationist minister Charles Taze Russell.
Which is a far cry from the 1050's, their library begins in 1886 and is
missing several items.
>
>
> "For such zeal toward worship of the living and true God Jehovah made
> a covenant for an everlasting kingdom with David, that one of David’s
> descendants should be a king forever. That descendant or “son of
> David” was to be Jesus Christ, born to a virgin tracing her descent
> from King David. The kings of David’s line ruled as visible
> representatives of the real King of Israel, Jehovah God, and were
> therefore said to sit upon His throne. As it is written of King
> David’s son and successor: “Then Solomon sat on the throne of Jehovah
> as king instead of David his father, and prospered; and all Israel
> obeyed him.” David, when abdicating the throne in favor of Solomon,
> prayed and acknowledged God as King, saying: “Thine, O Jehovah, is the
> greatness, and the power, and the glory, and the victory, and the
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