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   From: none@none.con   
      
   On Jul 8, 2023, tesla sTinker wrote   
   (in article ):   
      
   >   
   > On 6/24/2023 12:23 AM, No one scribbled:   
   > > On Jun 23, 2023, tesla sTinker wrote   
   > > (in article):   
   > >   
   > > > Leviticus   
   > > >   
   > > > 29 And this shall be to you an everlasting ordinance: The seventh month,   
   > > > the tenth day of the month, you shall afflict your souls, and shall do   
   > > > no work, whether it be one of your own country, or a stranger that   
   > > > sojourneth among you. 30 Upon this day shall be the expiation for you,   
   > > > and the cleansing from all your sins: you shall be cleansed before the   
   > > > Lord. 31 For it is a sabbath of rest, and you shall afflict your souls   
   > > > by a perpetual religion. 32 And the priest that is anointed, and whose   
   > > > hands are consecrated to do the office of the priesthood in his father's   
   > > > stead, shall make atonement; and he shall be vested with the linen robe   
   > > > and the holy vestments, 33 And he shall expiate the sanctuary and the   
   > > > tabernacle of the testimony and the altar, the priest also and all the   
   > > > people 34 And this shall be an ordinance for ever, that you pray for the   
   > > > children of Israel, and for all their sins once in a year. He did   
   > > > therefore as the Lord had commanded Moses.   
   > > >   
   > > > See where it says forever. But you, being the protestant that you are,   
   > > > do not understand, the word confess, is in the Bible in many many places   
   > > > and there are precepts law, involved. Just cause it says to pray for   
   > > > the others, like in them confessing one to another, it has nothing to do   
   > > > with the priesthood. That is something your supposed to do anyway, even   
   > > > with the part of the law to the priesthood. YOU do both dummy no body.   
   > > > That is why, it is in the Bible old testament. Jesus did not annul   
   > > > that. You protestants do all that crap   
   > >   
   > > When Christ died for sins, the Temple in Jerusalem was opened up in the   
   Holy   
   > > of Holies as the spirit of God departed when the veil was ripped in half.   
   > > Jesus was THE Promised Sacrifice for Sin. Once, for all time. No more   
   annual   
   > > sacrifice for sin that meant anything to God.   
   > >   
   > > You err here because of your lack of understanding and knowledge.   
   >   
   > no its you who lack it. Forgiveness of sins happened before Jesus.   
   > Jesus just continued it in the new covenant with new requirement. Of   
   > the true priesthood, not a fake one. One Baptism, One Faith.   
      
   Jesus disannulled the Mosaic Law of Sin and death.   
   Everyone from Adam on offered up blood sacrifices in faith, for the Sacrifice   
   of the Lamb of God, which is Jesus. When that happened there was no more   
   annual sacrifice for sin. Christ did it once for all and all time. Jesus is   
   now the High Priest after the order of Melchizedek. Those who are Born Again   
   are of His Priesthood. Not some religion or religious organization.   
      
   You have yet to understand what One Baptism means, as well as One Faith. It   
   has nothing to do with the RCC or its associates.   
   >   
   > > >   
   > > >   
   > > > On 6/23/2023 1:46 PM, No one scribbled:   
   > > > > On Jun 23, 2023, servant wrote   
   > > > > (in article<6495d0a4$0$2245$1c4686b2@news.club.cc.cmu.edu>):   
   > > > >   
   > > > > > Friend james proposes a theory:>   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > > No one went to a confessional by the first century Christians.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Correct, one by one individuals stood before the congregation for   
   public   
   > > > > > confession/absolution of their sins in the early church.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > No proof of that shown.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > How does the jw vatican prescribe practicing confession/absolution   
   and on   
   > > > > > what authority?   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > 1 John says all blievers sin and confession of the sin is the cure.   
   He   
   > > > > > adds if someone says they do not sin; they are a liar.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Confessing is not a cure. That is pretty obvious to everyone.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > As for who has the authority of absolution scripture declares:   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > In the Gospel of John, Jesus says to the Apostles, after being raised   
   > > > > > from   
   > > > > > the dead, "Receive the Holy Spirit. Whose sins you forgive, they are   
   > > > > > forgiven; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained".   
   > > > >   
   > > > > That verse is also out of character and out of place. since on its   
   face a   
   > > > > person who was not Born Again could conceivably be forgiven against   
   their   
   > > > > will, against Gods will, and whether or not the person actually asked   
   for   
   > > > > it.   
   > > > > That is not in conformity with any other part of scripture, especially   
   > > > > when   
   > > > > a   
   > > > > person sins against or blasphemes the Holy Spirit. The only possible   
   other   
   > > > > explanation would be if a brother sinned agains them, could they   
   forgive,   
   > > > > similar to Peter asking Jesus about how many times should he forgives   
   > > > > someone   
   > > > > who offends them.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Nowhere in the Book of Acts or in the Epistles do we find any instance   
   of   
   > > > > an   
   > > > > apostle remitting the sins of anyone. They do go everywhere,   
   proclaiming   
   > > > > the   
   > > > > forgiveness of sins. Let me ask the question: What is it that forgives   
   > > > > sins?   
   > > > > Even God cannot just arbitrarily forgive sins. Forgiveness of sins is   
   only   
   > > > > and alone through the blood of Jesus Christ. Back in the Old Testament,   
   > > > > the   
   > > > > forgiveness of sins was based on the fact that Christ would come and   
   die.   
   > > > > God   
   > > > > saved “on credit†in the Old Testament until Christ would   
   come   
   > > > > and   
   > > > > pay the penalty. Today God forgives our sins when we believe that   
   Christ   
   > > > > died   
   > > > > for them.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Also, there is a lame argument that people such as you use, in that   
   this   
   > > > > was   
   > > > > spoken by the Lord to the Apostles. Your argument would then typically   
   > > > > claim   
   > > > > that it was to them alone and no one else. You all have used that   
   argument   
   > > > > many times for other similar points.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > So which is it?   
   > > > >   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > In the line of apostolic succession and for the church established by   
   > > > > > Christ; a priest as the srvant and on behalf of his bishop can   
   excersize   
   > > > > > that authority.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > This was not assigned to a position of leadership. Specific or   
   otherwise.   
   > > > > There is NO "line of apostolic succession". That is totally   
   unscriptural.   
   > > > > No   
   > > > > priest could ever forgive sins against God, not in the Old Testament,   
   or   
   > > > > the   
   > > > > New.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Mar 2:10 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth   
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