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   From: tiller@soil.org.9   
      
   On 7/12/23 11:40 AM, James wrote:   
      
    > On Tue, 11 Jul 2023 17:03:01 -0400, Georg Tillerman   
      
    >> On 7/11/23 4:26 PM, James wrote:   
      
    >>> On Mon, 10 Jul 2023 15:39:18 -0400, Georg Tillerman wrote:   
      
    >>>> On 7/9/23 10:54 AM, James wrote:   
      
    >>>>> ++the CROSS++A pagan symbol   
      
    >>>>> Yes, many think Jesus died on a cross because of how Bibles translate   
    >>>>> that Greek word, "stauros". An example is found at John 19:25,   
      
    >>>> i just have one question for you;   
      
    >>>> what did it look like?   
      
    >>>> i mean, according to you, was Jesus tied to a fence post   
    >>>> with  his arms behind his back and his feet on the ground   
    >>>> and nails in him of course?   
      
    >>>> was he off the ground?   
      
    >>>> you could easily say;   
      
    >>>> "Jesus was put to death in a heathen manner therefore   
    >>>> no christian believer should commemorate it"   
      
    >>>> but you don't say that, do you?   
      
    >>> There is a picture (drawing, painting) of Jesus crucified on the   
    >>> upright pole. (stauros) That should help to answer your questions. Go   
    >>> to:   
      
    > search?q=Jesus+nailed+to+an+upright+pole+Search   
      
    >> are you suggesting that people who show the death instrument as a   
      
    >>    t shaped cross   are somehow denying the crucifixion?   
      
    > Jesus is plainly crucified whether on a cross or a one piece stake. So   
    > no. I am just saying that they are showing a pagan symbol. Research   
    > "cross", and see the pagan people who used it, before Jesus' arrival.   
    > To start you off, see the ancient Egyptians symbol for life. Its   
    > written in their tombs, and all over the place. It is a cross with a   
    > handle on top. Catholics call it the Crux ansata. Notice it here   
    > +Crux+ansata&sa=+Search   
      
      
   You know some people view the "Star of David" as a Jewish Symbol   
   and some people consider it a magical amulet or sorts.   
      
   and then, i am reminded what Paul said about "meat offered to idols"   
   that an 'idol' is nothing, and that he could eat such meat and not be   
   defiled.   
   Paul just said that he would defer to the so-called "weaker brothers"   
   whose consciousness may be defiled by eating such meat.   
      
   whether images of a t shaped cross are in themselves, a form of heathen   
   idolatry ,   
   would seem to be in the eye of the beholder, as you seem to agree.   
      
   so, i wouldn't exclaim that the Flag of Israel   
   is a heathen symbol and should be torn down   
   because some people may see it as an emblem of David The King   
   and some others may see it as a magical amulet,   
      
   it seems very superficial,   
      
   sort of like saying;   
      
   "don't look at the moon, some people adore it as an idol."   
      
   ""yeah, well, _I_ don't, it's just a ball of dust""   
      
      
      
   what if some Satanist group started calling themselves   
      
   "Jehovah's Witnesses" and began going door to door   
      
   evangelizing people about their Dark Lord Satan as 'Creator of Unholy   
   Saturday'   
      
   should, then, "Real"  /Jehovah's Witnesses/ stop being who they are?   
      
   just asking, not accusing.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)