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From: none@none.con
On Jul 16, 2023, James wrote
(in article<09d7bid86sem32abjkkb95od6nge39jrht@4ax.com>):
> On Sat, 15 Jul 2023 10:37:45 -0700, No one wrote:
>
> > On Jul 15, 2023, James wrote
> > (in article<19d5bi9m22pjrorp53lcv9c1hrjn5hbv0p@4ax.com>):
> >
> > > (John 4:23, 24) Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when
> > > the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth,
> > > for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him.
> > > 24God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit
> > > and truth.”
> >
> > Joh 4:23-24
> >
> > 23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship
> > the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship
> > him.
> >
> > 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit
and
> > in truth.
> >
> > James, you used an adulterated version of the Bible, do you see the
> > difference between the v24 in your version, and the proper translation of
> > that scripture?
>
> Well, let's take a look at it. In the NWT it reads:
>
> "(John 4:23, 24) Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when
> the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth,
> for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him.
> 24God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit
> and truth.”
>
> Here is verse 24 in several other Bible translations:
>
> -- King James
> John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him
> in spirit and in truth.
>
> -- American Standard
> John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship in
> spirit and truth.
>
> -- Revised Standard
> John 4:24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in
> spirit and truth."
>
> -- Young's Bible
> John 4:24 God [is] a Spirit, and those worshipping Him, in spirit and
> truth it doth behove to worship.'
>
> -- Darby's Bible
> John 4:24 God is a spirit; and they who worship him must worship him
> in spirit and truth.
>
> -- Weymouth's New Testament
> John 4:24 God is Spirit; and those who worship Him must bring Him
> true spiritual worship."
>
> -- Webster's Bible
> John 4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him, must worship
> [him] in spirit and in truth.
Again notice words. Not with, but "IN" spirit and "IN truth?
Showing a huge difference with your adulterated version.
>
>
> >
> > Do you know what the difference is?
>
> In verse 24 some say "God is a spirit:". Other translations say "God
> is spirit".
> >
> > “And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole
> > spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord
> > Jesus Christ.” (1Th 5:23)
> >
> > This is what a true believer is. The Born Again spirit is not of this
world,
> > but your soul and body are. For this reason,...
>
> The Bible does not teach on an 'immortal soul' that the churches
> teach. That teaching has its roots in the teachings of Aristotle.The
> soul is NOT immortal: Here is the proof:
>
> -- Revised Standard
> Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; the soul of the father as
> well as the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sins shall die.
>
> So then what is a "soul"? According to the Bible it is the whole
> person, or whole animal, etc. Notice carefully the wording of Genesis
> 2:7:
>
> -- American Standard
> Genesis 2:7 And Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground, and
> breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living
> soul.
>
> Yes, when Adam found himself alive, he BECAME a soul. He wasn't
> 'given' a soul.
>
> Even fish are souls in the Bible:
>
> -- Darby's Bible
> Genesis 1:20 And God said, Let the waters swarm with swarms of living
> souls, and let fowl fly above the earth in the expanse of the heavens.
> Souls= Hebrew word "nephesh".
Yes. They all have living souls. None except men have spirits, eternal
spirits.
The soul, which incorporates the mind, the personality, wherein all five
senses are gathered and monitored. This is why that which was created have an
ability to sense others, to be kind or warlike, and so forth. Which is why
apes or monkeys can appear similar to the thinking of man, but so do you pets
of all kings we relate in a natural sense, soul to soul. Which is why the
term, "soulish"
There is another world, that being spiritual, either Godly or satanic. The
spiritual world is the real one. What is there is eternal, not temporal as
our bodies are as well as this earth.
When a human dies their Heart, the combination of Soul and Spirit enter fully
into either eternal life or death.
The animals, etc. have no spirit, but they all have souls.
>
>
> Here is a different translation:
>
> -- American Standard
> Genesis 1:20 And God said, Let the waters swarm with swarms of living
> creatures, and let birds fly above the earth in the open firmament of
> heaven.
>
> Creatures= Hebrew word "nephesh" which is the word for "soul".
>
> These are Bible and historical truths for you to accept or deny.
> (which I am sure you will)
But will you?
>
>
> Sincerely James
>
>
> >
> > “And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the
renewing
> > of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and
> > perfect, will of God.” (Rom 12:2)
> >
> > Our minds must be renewed by which one controls and puts to death the deeds
> > of the Flesh that we might be One with Jesus Christ,
> >
> > Thereby we can worship The Heavenly Father "IN" spirit and "IN" truth (the
> > reality of who we are dwelling in this present world)
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