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   On Jul 19, 2023, James wrote   
   (in article):   
      
   > On Sun, 16 Jul 2023 09:45:21 -0700, No one  wrote:   
   >   
   > > On Jul 16, 2023, James wrote   
   > > (in article<09d7bid86sem32abjkkb95od6nge39jrht@4ax.com>):   
   > >   
   > > > On Sat, 15 Jul 2023 10:37:45 -0700, No one  wrote:   
   > > >   
   > > > > On Jul 15, 2023, James wrote   
   > > > > (in article<19d5bi9m22pjrorp53lcv9c1hrjn5hbv0p@4ax.com>):   
   > > > >   
   > > > > > (John 4:23, 24) Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when   
   > > > > > the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth,   
   > > > > > for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him.   
   > > > > > 24God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit   
   > > > > > and truth.”   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Joh 4:23-24   
   > > > >   
   > > > > 23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall   
   worship   
   > > > > the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to   
   worship   
   > > > > him.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in   
   spirit   
   > > > > and   
   > > > > in truth.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > James, you used an adulterated version of the Bible, do you see the   
   > > > > difference between the v24 in your version, and the proper translation   
   of   
   > > > > that scripture?   
   > > >   
   > > > Well, let's take a look at it. In the NWT it reads:   
   > > >   
   > > > "(John 4:23, 24) Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when   
   > > > the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth,   
   > > > for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him.   
   > > > 24God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit   
   > > > and truth.”   
   > > >   
   > > > Here is verse 24 in several other Bible translations:   
   > > >   
   > > > -- King James   
   > > > John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him   
   > > > in spirit and in truth.   
   > > >   
   > > > -- American Standard   
   > > > John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship in   
   > > > spirit and truth.   
   > > >   
   > > > -- Revised Standard   
   > > > John 4:24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in   
   > > > spirit and truth."   
   > > >   
   > > > -- Young's Bible   
   > > > John 4:24 God [is] a Spirit, and those worshipping Him, in spirit and   
   > > > truth it doth behove to worship.'   
   > > >   
   > > > -- Darby's Bible   
   > > > John 4:24 God is a spirit; and they who worship him must worship him   
   > > > in spirit and truth.   
   > > >   
   > > > -- Weymouth's New Testament   
   > > > John 4:24 God is Spirit; and those who worship Him must bring Him   
   > > > true spiritual worship."   
   > > >   
   > > > -- Webster's Bible   
   > > > John 4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him, must worship   
   > > > [him] in spirit and in truth.   
   > >   
   > > Again notice words. Not with, but "IN" spirit and "IN truth?   
   > >   
   > > Showing a huge difference with your adulterated version.   
   > > >   
   > > >   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Do you know what the difference is?   
   > > >   
   > > > In verse 24 some say "God is a spirit:". Other translations say "God   
   > > > is spirit".   
   > > > >   
   > > > > “And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your   
   > > > > whole   
   > > > > spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our   
   > > > > Lord   
   > > > > Jesus Christ.” (1Th 5:23)   
   > > > >   
   > > > > This is what a true believer is. The Born Again spirit is not of this   
   > > > > world,   
   > > > > but your soul and body are. For this reason,...   
   > > >   
   > > > The Bible does not teach on an 'immortal soul' that the churches   
   > > > teach. That teaching has its roots in the teachings of Aristotle.The   
   > > > soul is NOT immortal: Here is the proof:   
   > > >   
   > > > -- Revised Standard   
   > > > Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; the soul of the father as   
   > > > well as the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sins shall die.   
   > > >   
   > > > So then what is a "soul"? According to the Bible it is the whole   
   > > > person, or whole animal, etc. Notice carefully the wording of Genesis   
   > > > 2:7:   
   > > >   
   > > > -- American Standard   
   > > > Genesis 2:7 And Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground, and   
   > > > breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living   
   > > > soul.   
   > > >   
   > > > Yes, when Adam found himself alive, he BECAME a soul. He wasn't   
   > > > 'given' a soul.   
   > > >   
   > > > Even fish are souls in the Bible:   
   > > >   
   > > > -- Darby's Bible   
   > > > Genesis 1:20 And God said, Let the waters swarm with swarms of living   
   > > > souls, and let fowl fly above the earth in the expanse of the heavens.   
   > > > Souls= Hebrew word "nephesh".   
   > >   
   > > Yes. They all have living souls. None except men have spirits, eternal   
   > > spirits.   
   > >   
   > > The soul, which incorporates the mind, the personality, wherein all five   
   > > senses are gathered and monitored. This is why that which was created have   
   > > an   
   > > ability to sense others, to be kind or warlike, and so forth. Which is why   
   > > apes or monkeys can appear similar to the thinking of man, but so do you   
   > > pets   
   > > of all kings we relate in a natural sense, soul to soul. Which is why the   
   > > term, "soulish"   
   > >   
   > > There is another world, that being spiritual, either Godly or satanic. The   
   > > spiritual world is the real one. What is there is eternal, not temporal as   
   > > our bodies are as well as this earth.   
   > > When a human dies their Heart, the combination of Soul and Spirit enter   
   > > fully   
   > > into either eternal life or death.   
   > >   
   > > The animals, etc. have no spirit, but they all have souls.   
   >   
   > They ARE souls, they don 'have' souls. You are not thinking   
   > Scripturally, but churchly. Animals do not have spirit?   
   > Think again. Ec 3:19,   
   >   
   > For an event [is to] the sons of man, and an event [is to] the beasts,   
   > even one event [is] to them; as the death of this, so [is] the death   
   > of that; and one spirit [is] to all, and the advantage of man above   
   > the beast is nothing, for the whole [is] vanity.(YLT)   
   >   
   > (Ecclesiastes 3:19) for there is an outcome for humans and an outcome   
   > for animals; they all have the same outcome. As the one dies, so the   
   > other dies; and they all have but one spirit. So man has no   
   > superiority over animals, for everything is futile.(NWT)   
      
   Gen 2:7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed   
   into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.   
      
   Rev 16:3And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became   
   as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.   
      
   “For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing   
   befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one   
      
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