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   From: none@none.con   
      
   On Jul 23, 2023, James wrote   
   (in article<3cbqbi91db941p0pek6b245htvrbf684sn@4ax.com>):   
      
   James replying to another   
      
   > Yes, God created Jesus as a "unique kind".   
   >   
   > (Colossians 1:15) He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn   
   > of all creation;   
      
   “Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:”   
   (Col 1:15)   
      
   2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things   
   are passed away; behold, all things are become new.   
      
   Gal 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor   
   uncircumcision, but a new creature.   
      
   You should be able to see here that a firstborn is a creature, not a   
   creation. Living beings are creatures.   
      
   The verse you quoted says that Jesus the Messiah is the first of all   
   creation, which would mean that before Heaven and the shapeless blob were   
   created, Jesus was. And the Bible clearly states that Men were created as a   
   creature. That Adam was the First man. A living creature.   
      
   >   
   > Look at the context. It is discussing things that are CREATED. And   
   > Jesus was the first..   
      
   See that devious little twist, a symbol of things satanic? "Jesus was the   
   first"? When it clearly states "Firstborn" Then, here to is the kicker, that   
   destroys the JW doctrines. Which even you alluded to as the supporting and   
   defining contextual verses surround it.   
      
   “For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in   
   earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or   
   principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:”   
   (Col 1:16)   
      
   Thus here is the direct reference to Jehovah, "for by him were all things   
   created".   
      
   And to drive the nail in the coffin of the JW's the distinction between   
   Jehovah/Jesus is made in the verses following.   
      
   Col 1:17-19   
      
   17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.   
      
   18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the   
   firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.   
      
   19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;   
      
   Yes, there it is, clearly and plainly Spoken. Jesus/Jehovah is him in whom   
   all fulness dwells.   
      
   Thus the doctrines of the JW are shown to be false, based on false premises,   
   and also shows that Satan by the spirit of the antichrist uses scripture, the   
   Word of God, today as he did in the garden of Eden before Eve.   
      
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   > Sincerely James   
      
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