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   From: none@none.con   
      
   On Jul 24, 2023, James wrote   
   (in article):   
      
   > On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 12:57:56 -0700, No one  wrote:   
   >   
   > > On Jul 23, 2023, James wrote   
   > > (in article<3cbqbi91db941p0pek6b245htvrbf684sn@4ax.com>):   
   > >   
   > > James replying to another   
   > >   
   > > > Yes, God created Jesus as a "unique kind".   
   > > >   
   > > > (Colossians 1:15) He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn   
   > > > of all creation;   
   > >   
   > > “Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every   
   > > creature:”   
   > > (Col 1:15)   
   > >   
   > > 2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old   
   things   
   > > are passed away; behold, all things are become new.   
   > >   
   > > Gal 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor   
   > > uncircumcision, but a new creature.   
   > >   
   > > You should be able to see here that a firstborn is a creature, not a   
   > > creation. Living beings are creatures.   
   > >   
   > > The verse you quoted says that Jesus the Messiah is the first of all   
   > > creation, which would mean that before Heaven and the shapeless blob were   
   > > created, Jesus was.   
   >   
   > Completely correct.   
      
   And therefore Jehovah, the creator.   
   >   
   > > And the Bible clearly states that Men were created as a   
   > > creature. That Adam was the First man. A living creature.   
   >   
   > Gen 2:7,   
   >   
   > - American Standard   
   > Genesis 2:7 And Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground, and   
   > breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living   
   > soul.   
   >   
   > Yes, when Adam became alive, he BECAME a soul, wasn't given one.   
      
   God breathed it in to him, thus it was a gift of God. Otherwise he would have   
   been nothing more than a mud statue of God.   
   >   
   >   
   > -- Living Bible   
   > Genesis 2:7 The time came when the Lord God formed a man's body from   
   > the dust of the ground and breathed into it the breath of life. And   
   > man became a living person.   
   >   
   > -- Revised Standard   
   > Genesis 2:7 then the Lord God formed man of dust from the ground, and   
   > breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living   
   > being.   
   >   
   > >   
   > > >   
   > > > Look at the context. It is discussing things that are CREATED. And   
   > > > Jesus was the first..   
   > >   
   > > See that devious little twist, a symbol of things satanic? "Jesus was the   
   > > first"? When it clearly states "Firstborn" Then, here to is the kicker,   
   that   
   > > destroys the JW doctrines. Which even you alluded to as the supporting and   
   > > defining contextual verses surround it.   
   >   
   > Yes, Jesus was the first. As this Scripture also says:   
   >   
   > - American Standard   
   > Revelation 3:14 And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write:   
   > These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the   
   > beginning of the creation of God:   
      
   Meaning that Jehovah/Jesus said it, spoke it into existence. Thus the   
   beginning of the creation that we know and are a part of.   
   >   
   >   
   > > “For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in   
   > > earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or   
   > > principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:”   
   > > (Col 1:16)   
   > >   
   > > Thus here is the direct reference to Jehovah, "for by him were all things   
   > > created".   
   > >   
   > > And to drive the nail in the coffin of the JW's the distinction between   
   > > Jehovah/Jesus is made in the verses following.   
   > >   
   > > Col 1:17-19   
   > >   
   > > 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.   
   > >   
   > > 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the   
   > > firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.   
   > >   
   > > 19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;   
   > >   
   > > Yes, there it is, clearly and plainly Spoken. Jesus/Jehovah is him in whom   
   > > all fulness dwells.   
   > >   
   > > Thus the doctrines of the JW are shown to be false, based on false   
   premises,   
   > > and also shows that Satan by the spirit of the antichrist uses scripture,   
   > > the Word of God, today as he did in the garden of Eden before Eve.   
   >   
   > The Scriptures are plain and simple. Jesus was the first of God's   
   > creations. If you don't want to go by the Bible, that is up to you.   
      
   Your twisted version does not define truth, for it is not the word of God   
   rather it is a distortion of the word of God, like Satan speaking to Eve   
   distorting the Truth.   
   >   
   >   
   > Tell me this. How do you explain the following verse. When Paul came   
   > on the scene, Jesus was in Heaven with God. Yet Jesus is still   
   > inferior to God, even while in Heaven.   
      
   Is your wife and her children inferior to you? Jesus who is Jehovah, is not   
   inferior to himself. God established him over all things. Jesus was and is   
   not inferior to God and you have never established that fact.   
   >   
   > King James   
   > 1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every   
   > man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of   
   > Christ is God.   
      
   This is the truth for the born again ones.   
   I am glad that you did not deny that Jesus is Jehovah as you were shown here.   
   Thus your dead religion is buried as trash.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)