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From: none@none.con
On Jul 26, 2023, James wrote
(in article):
> On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 09:04:55 -0700, No one wrote:
>
> > On Jul 24, 2023, James wrote
> > (in article):
> >
> > > On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 12:57:56 -0700, No one wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Jul 23, 2023, James wrote
> > > > (in article<3cbqbi91db941p0pek6b245htvrbf684sn@4ax.com>):
> > > >
> > > > James replying to another
> > > >
> > > > > Yes, God created Jesus as a "unique kind".
> > > > >
> > > > > (Colossians 1:15) He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn
> > > > > of all creation;
> > > >
> > > > “Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every
> > > > creature:”
> > > > (Col 1:15)
> > > >
> > > > 2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old
> > > > things
> > > > are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
> > > >
> > > > Gal 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing,
nor
> > > > uncircumcision, but a new creature.
> > > >
> > > > You should be able to see here that a firstborn is a creature, not a
> > > > creation. Living beings are creatures.
> > > >
> > > > The verse you quoted says that Jesus the Messiah is the first of all
> > > > creation, which would mean that before Heaven and the shapeless blob
were
> > > > created, Jesus was.
> > >
> > > Completely correct.
> >
> > And therefore Jehovah, the creator.
> > >
> > > > And the Bible clearly states that Men were created as a
> > > > creature. That Adam was the First man. A living creature.
> > >
> > > Gen 2:7,
> > >
> > > - American Standard
> > > Genesis 2:7 And Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground, and
> > > breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living
> > > soul.
> > >
> > > Yes, when Adam became alive, he BECAME a soul, wasn't given one.
> >
> > God breathed it in to him, thus it was a gift of God. Otherwise he would
> > have
> > been nothing more than a mud statue of God.
> > >
> > >
> > > -- Living Bible
> > > Genesis 2:7 The time came when the Lord God formed a man's body from
> > > the dust of the ground and breathed into it the breath of life. And
> > > man became a living person.
> > >
> > > -- Revised Standard
> > > Genesis 2:7 then the Lord God formed man of dust from the ground, and
> > > breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living
> > > being.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Look at the context. It is discussing things that are CREATED. And
> > > > > Jesus was the first..
> > > >
> > > > See that devious little twist, a symbol of things satanic? "Jesus was
the
> > > > first"? When it clearly states "Firstborn" Then, here to is the kicker,
> > > > that
> > > > destroys the JW doctrines. Which even you alluded to as the supporting
and
> > > > defining contextual verses surround it.
> > >
> > > Yes, Jesus was the first. As this Scripture also says:
> > >
> > > - American Standard
> > > Revelation 3:14 And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write:
> > > These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the
> > > beginning of the creation of God:
> >
> > Meaning that Jehovah/Jesus said it, spoke it into existence. Thus the
> > beginning of the creation that we know and are a part of.
> > >
> > >
> > > > “For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that
are in
> > > > earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or
> > > > principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for
him:”
> > > > (Col 1:16)
> > > >
> > > > Thus here is the direct reference to Jehovah, "for by him were all
things
> > > > created".
> > > >
> > > > And to drive the nail in the coffin of the JW's the distinction between
> > > > Jehovah/Jesus is made in the verses following.
> > > >
> > > > Col 1:17-19
> > > >
> > > > 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
> > > >
> > > > 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning,
the
> > > > firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the
preeminence.
> > > >
> > > > 19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
> > > >
> > > > Yes, there it is, clearly and plainly Spoken. Jesus/Jehovah is him in
whom
> > > > all fulness dwells.
> > > >
> > > > Thus the doctrines of the JW are shown to be false, based on false
> > > > premises,
> > > > and also shows that Satan by the spirit of the antichrist uses
scripture,
> > > > the Word of God, today as he did in the garden of Eden before Eve.
> > >
> > > The Scriptures are plain and simple. Jesus was the first of God's
> > > creations. If you don't want to go by the Bible, that is up to you.
> >
> > Your twisted version does not define truth, for it is not the word of God
>
> Which version? I quoted 3 of them. Revised Standard, American
> standard, and the Living Bible.If I could remember your version, I
> would quote it.
Your twisted version is the NWT
>
>
> Alright, take your pick here. That Jesus in Heaven, is inferior to
> God. Notice:
“Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with
God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a
servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a
man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of
the cross.” (Php 2:6-8)
Where is he inferior?
>
>
> -- King James
> 1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every
> man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of
> Christ is God.
>
> -- New King James
> 1 Corinthians 11:3 But I want you to know that the head of every man
> is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.
>
> -- American Standard
> 1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every
> man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of
> Christ is God.
>
> -- Living Bible
> 1 Corinthians 11:3 But there is one matter I want to remind you
> about: that a wife is responsible to her husband, her husband is
> responsible to Christ, and Christ is responsible to God.
>
> -- Revised Standard
> 1 Corinthians 11:3 But I want you to understand that the head of
> every man is Christ, the head of a woman is her husband, and the head
> of Christ is God.
>
> -- International English
> 1 Corinthians 11:3 I want you to understand that God is over Christ.
> Christ is over every male. And males are over females.
>
> -- New American Standard
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