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   From: Robert@none.non   
      
   On Jul 29, 2023, servant wrote   
   (in article<64c534d0$0$2245$1c4686b2@news.club.cc.cmu.edu>):   
      
   >   
   > Here is the biblehub page; it has many many vrsions of englih   
   > translations; here are a couple. Regardless of which the meaning is   
   > beyond doubt; even for lone ranger religionists:   
   >   
   > https://biblehub.com/hebrews/13-17.htm   
   >   
   > Hebrews 13:17   
   >   
   > Good News Translation   
   > Obey your leaders and follow their orders. They watch over your souls   
   > without resting, since they must give to God an account of their service.   
   > If you   
   > obey them, they will do their work gladly; if not, they will do it with   
   > sadness, and that would be of no help to you. Literal Standard Version   
   > Be obedient to those leading you, and be subject, for these watch for   
   > your souls, as about to give account, that they may do this with joy, and   
   > not   
   > sighing, for this [is] unprofitable to you.   
      
   What Dr. McGee commented regarding this,   
   Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch   
   for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy,   
   and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you [Heb 13:17].   
      
   We had this same thought in verse Heb 13:7. If your pastor is a man of God who   
   is teaching the Word of God then you are to obey the Word of God as he has   
   given it to you. It would be better to not hear the Word of God, than to hear   
   it and not obey it.   
      
   Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word   
   of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation [Heb   
   13:7].   
      
   There are some ministers who use this verse and say that the members of their   
   church are to obey them. However, it seems rather that the thought here is of   
   leadership. He is speaking of spiritual leaders, and spiritual leaders are to   
   lead folk to Christ. If a man is presenting Christ and is attempting to bring   
   people into the presence of Christ, then that is a man to whom you should be   
   loyal. But to be loyal to a man simply because he is the pastor of a church is   
   not what Paul is talking about at all.   
      
   Now, do you feel better? All the above is by Dr. McGee, whom you have been   
   following.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)