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   On Aug 4, 2023, James wrote   
   (in article):   
      
   > On Wed, 02 Aug 2023 17:23:53 -0700, No one  wrote:   
   >   
   > > On Jul 31, 2023, James wrote   
   > > (in article):   
   > >   
   > > > On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 08:55:51 -0700, No one  wrote:   
   > > >   
   > > > > On Jul 26, 2023, James wrote   
   > > > > (in article):   
   > > > >   
   > > > > > On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 09:04:55 -0700, No one  wrote:   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > > On Jul 24, 2023, James wrote   
   > > > > > > (in article):   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 12:57:56 -0700, No one  wrote:   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > On Jul 23, 2023, James wrote   
   > > > > > > > > (in article<3cbqbi91db941p0pek6b245htvrbf684sn@4ax.com>):   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > James replying to another   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > Yes, God created Jesus as a "unique kind".   
   > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > (Colossians 1:15) He is the image of the invisible God, the   
   firstborn   
   > > > > > > > > > of all creation;   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > “Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of   
   every   
   > > > > > > > > creature:”   
   > > > > > > > > (Col 1:15)   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > 2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new   
   creature: old   
   > > > > > > > > things   
   > > > > > > > > are passed away; behold, all things are become new.   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > Gal 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any   
   thing,   
   > > > > > > > > nor   
   > > > > > > > > uncircumcision, but a new creature.   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > You should be able to see here that a firstborn is a creature,   
   not a   
   > > > > > > > > creation. Living beings are creatures.   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > The verse you quoted says that Jesus the Messiah is the first   
   of all   
   > > > > > > > > creation, which would mean that before Heaven and the   
   shapeless blob   
   > > > > > > > > were   
   > > > > > > > > created, Jesus was.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > Completely correct.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > And therefore Jehovah, the creator.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > And the Bible clearly states that Men were created as a   
   > > > > > > > > creature. That Adam was the First man. A living creature.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > Gen 2:7,   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > - American Standard   
   > > > > > > > Genesis 2:7 And Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the   
   ground, and   
   > > > > > > > breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a   
   living   
   > > > > > > > soul.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > Yes, when Adam became alive, he BECAME a soul, wasn't given one.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > God breathed it in to him, thus it was a gift of God. Otherwise he   
   would   
   > > > > > > have   
   > > > > > > been nothing more than a mud statue of God.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > -- Living Bible   
   > > > > > > > Genesis 2:7 The time came when the Lord God formed a man's body   
   from   
   > > > > > > > the dust of the ground and breathed into it the breath of life.   
   And   
   > > > > > > > man became a living person.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > -- Revised Standard   
   > > > > > > > Genesis 2:7 then the Lord God formed man of dust from the   
   ground, and   
   > > > > > > > breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a   
   living   
   > > > > > > > being.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > Look at the context. It is discussing things that are   
   CREATED. And   
   > > > > > > > > > Jesus was the first..   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > See that devious little twist, a symbol of things satanic?   
   "Jesus was   
   > > > > > > > > the   
   > > > > > > > > first"? When it clearly states "Firstborn" Then, here to is the   
   > > > > > > > > kicker,   
   > > > > > > > > that   
   > > > > > > > > destroys the JW doctrines. Which even you alluded to as the   
   supporting   
   > > > > > > > > and   
   > > > > > > > > defining contextual verses surround it.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > Yes, Jesus was the first. As this Scripture also says:   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > - American Standard   
   > > > > > > > Revelation 3:14 And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write:   
   > > > > > > > These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the   
   > > > > > > > beginning of the creation of God:   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Meaning that Jehovah/Jesus said it, spoke it into existence. Thus   
   the   
   > > > > > > beginning of the creation that we know and are a part of.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > “For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and   
   that   
   > > > > > > > > are   
   > > > > > > > > in   
   > > > > > > > > earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or   
   dominions,   
   > > > > > > > > or   
   > > > > > > > > principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and   
   for   
   > > > > > > > > him:”   
   > > > > > > > > (Col 1:16)   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > Thus here is the direct reference to Jehovah, "for by him were   
   all   
   > > > > > > > > things   
   > > > > > > > > created".   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > And to drive the nail in the coffin of the JW's the distinction   
   > > > > > > > > between   
   > > > > > > > > Jehovah/Jesus is made in the verses following.   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > Col 1:17-19   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the   
   beginning,   
   > > > > > > > > the   
   > > > > > > > > firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the   
   > > > > > > > > preeminence.   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > 19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness   
   dwell;   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > Yes, there it is, clearly and plainly Spoken. Jesus/Jehovah is   
   him in   
   > > > > > > > > whom   
   > > > > > > > > all fulness dwells.   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > Thus the doctrines of the JW are shown to be false, based on   
   false   
   > > > > > > > > premises,   
   > > > > > > > > and also shows that Satan by the spirit of the antichrist uses   
   > > > > > > > > scripture,   
   > > > > > > > > the Word of God, today as he did in the garden of Eden before   
   Eve.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > The Scriptures are plain and simple. Jesus was the first of God's   
   > > > > > > > creations. If you don't want to go by the Bible, that is up to   
   you.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Your twisted version does not define truth, for it is not the word   
   of   
   > > > > > > God   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Which version? I quoted 3 of them. Revised Standard, American   
   > > > > > standard, and the Living Bible.If I could remember your version, I   
      
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