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From: novalidemail@ymail.com
On 8/7/2023 7:47 AM, James wrote:
> On Sun, 6 Aug 2023 10:15:59 -0500, Just a guy
> wrote:
>
>> On 8/6/2023 5:45 AM, James wrote:
>>> On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 17:20:07 -0500, Just a guy
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/14/2023 7:36 AM, James wrote:
>>>>> Evolution: A Revolution against God
>>>>>
>>>>> Many people believe in evolution. Why? Because they pass it off as a
>>>>> science .
>>>>
>>>> It is a science, James. It exists, just as the caterpillar becomes
>>>> a butterfly after exiting the chrysalis.
>>>
>>> That is metamorphosis and is programmed within that caterpillar to
>>> change into a butterfly. How could a brainless force (evolution)
>>> create the complex DNA interactions to produce such a thing.
>>>
>>> Similar to a corn seed turning into a stalk of corn, etc. DNA is coded
>>> information. You are giving brains to evolution to work out such
>>> codes.
>>>
>>> The German code (enigma) in WWII took massive human brain power to
>>> crack it. Yet we are to believe the more complex codes in DNA came by
>>> RANDOM CHANCE? Don't you see brainwork, intelligence, behind
>>> the DNA codes? At least admit that's a possibility.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Even many professed Christians accept it as do some large
>>>>> religious organizations like the Catholic church. Pope Francis is not
>>>>> the first pontiff to publicly affirm that evolution is compatible with
>>>>> church teachings.
>>>
>>> It may be compatible with church teachings, but not the Bible's
>>> teachings.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Bible says that all living things were created. Didn't start off
>>>>> small and evolve into each life form. Isa 42:5,
>>>>>
>>>>> "5 This is what the true God, Jehovah, says,
>>>>> The Creator of the heavens and the Grand One who stretched them out,
>>>>> The One who spread out the earth and its produce,
>>>>> The One who gives breath to the people on it
>>>>> And spirit to those who walk on it:"
>>>>>
>>>>> All of God's creations came fully formed. No evolving into different
>>>>> species.
>>>>
>>>> Wrong again James. the caterpillar becomes
>>>> a butterfly inside the chrysalis, then it leaves
>>>> to dry it's wings. It's a wonderful sight to behold.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Tadpole becomes a frog, the frog was not fully formed at
>>>> birth.
>>>
>>> You list two exceptions to thousands of life forms that were created
>>> fully formed. And these two exceptions esp the butterfly, shows the
>>> wisdom of God. But of course, you can't see that since you (and I)
>>> have been programmed by educational institutions to believe only
>>> evolution.That is sad.
>>
>> You should give yourself and me a little more credit than that
>> as neither of us are that bad off. We both realize that it takes
>> and intelligence to program an outcome. From where I stand evolution
>> is a useful and intelligent tool, created by someone much more
>> intelligent. But to label this "God" is a leap in logic. I'm more
>> inclined to see hints say the universe is alive and insightful.
>
> I know. And they say the earth is alive. Well if it is, it is surely
> being a bad earth.
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Frogs by the way, don't start out as tadpoles, but as eggs. Thousands
>>> of species start out as eggs. So do caterpillars.
>>
>> But that does not make them fully formed, and therein lies the
>> proof that they are not born fully formed.
>
> Actually they are. They didn't start off as a virus or something, and
> evolve into a caterpillar which then evolved into something else etc,
> and finally became a butterfly. When God created the caterpillar egg,
> he had ALL the DNA coded to become eventually a butterfly. Thus it was
> fully created right from the start. No evolving.
>
> Sincerely James
> Starvation.
> Why?
> 8/7/23
> Go to jw.org
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps God did not create these 2?
>>>
>>> You are right. Just a force (not even a solid thing) with no body or
>>> mind, figured out DNA and made each life form with it. You have got
>>> to have more intelligence than that.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Evolution takes God out of the picture. No God is needed.
I cannot agree with this, particularly from the aspect of
of evolution as an intelligent tool. Why would a being
that is able to bestow life on inanimate organic materials
not also make them intelligent, even in the interests of
his works? Even as far as causing them to share a portion
of his labors?
>>>>
>>>> I disagree. I await your reply. Oh yes, thank you for another
>>>> interesting conversation.
>>>>
>>> No, that is true. They don't need God in the equation. Even Darwin
>>> challenged his own beliefs, such as the formation of an eye. He said:
>>>
>>>
>>> "To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for
>>> adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different
>>> amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic
>>> aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I
>>> freely confess, absurd in the highest degree." (The Origin of Species,
>>> by Charles Darwin)
>>>
>>> So even if the founder of evolution had his doubts, how much should
>>> we?
I can agree with that, but I also think and agree with the bible to
a limited extent; "James_1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before
God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their
affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world."
This is as far as I go with religion.
>>>
>>> Sincerely James
>>> Starvation. What are
>>> its causes?
>>> 8/6/23
>>> Go to jw.org
>>>
Thank you for the reply James.
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