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   From: novalidemail@ymail.com   
      
   On 8/9/2023 6:32 PM, James wrote:   
   > On Mon, 7 Aug 2023 08:19:07 -0500, Just a guy    
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 8/7/2023 7:47 AM, James wrote:   
   >>> On Sun, 6 Aug 2023 10:15:59 -0500, Just a guy    
   >>> wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 8/6/2023 5:45 AM, James wrote:   
   >>>>> On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 17:20:07 -0500, Just a guy    
   >>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> On 7/14/2023 7:36 AM, James wrote:   
   >>>>>>> Evolution: A Revolution against God   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Many people believe in evolution. Why? Because they pass it off as a   
   >>>>>>> science .   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>       It is a science, James. It exists, just as the caterpillar becomes   
   >>>>>> a butterfly after exiting the chrysalis.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> That is metamorphosis and is programmed within that caterpillar to   
   >>>>> change into a butterfly. How could a brainless force (evolution)   
   >>>>> create the complex DNA interactions to produce such a thing.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Similar to a corn seed turning into a stalk of corn, etc. DNA is coded   
   >>>>> information.  You are giving brains to evolution to work out such   
   >>>>> codes.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> The German code (enigma) in WWII took massive human brain power to   
   >>>>> crack it. Yet we are to believe the more complex codes in DNA came by   
   >>>>> RANDOM CHANCE? Don't you see brainwork, intelligence, behind   
   >>>>>     the DNA codes? At least admit that's a possibility.   
   >>>>>   
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   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Even many professed Christians accept it as do some large   
   >>>>>>> religious organizations like the Catholic church. Pope Francis is not   
   >>>>>>> the first pontiff to publicly affirm that evolution is compatible with   
   >>>>>>> church teachings.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> It may be compatible with church teachings, but not the Bible's   
   >>>>> teachings.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> The Bible says that all living things were created. Didn't start off   
   >>>>>>> small and evolve into each life form. Isa 42:5,   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> "5 This is what the true God, Jehovah, says,   
   >>>>>>> The Creator of the heavens and the Grand One who stretched them out,   
   >>>>>>> The One who spread out the earth and its produce,   
   >>>>>>> The One who gives breath to the people on it   
   >>>>>>> And spirit to those who walk on it:"   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> All of God's creations came fully formed. No evolving into different   
   >>>>>>> species.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>      Wrong again James. the caterpillar becomes   
   >>>>>> a butterfly inside the chrysalis, then it leaves   
   >>>>>> to dry it's wings. It's a wonderful sight to behold.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>      The Tadpole becomes a frog, the frog was not fully formed at   
   >>>>>> birth.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> You list two exceptions to thousands of life forms that were created   
   >>>>> fully formed. And these two exceptions esp the butterfly, shows the   
   >>>>> wisdom of God. But of course, you can't see that since you (and I)   
   >>>>> have been programmed by educational institutions to believe only   
   >>>>> evolution.That is sad.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>     You should give yourself and me a little more credit than that   
   >>>>     as neither of us are that bad off. We both realize that it takes   
   >>>>     and intelligence to program an outcome. From where I stand evolution   
   >>>>     is a useful and intelligent tool, created by someone much more   
   >>>>     intelligent. But to label this "God" is a leap in logic. I'm more   
   >>>>     inclined to see hints say the universe is alive and insightful.   
   >>>   
   >>> I know. And they say the earth is alive. Well if it is, it is surely   
   >>> being a bad earth.   
   >>>   
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   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Frogs by the way, don't start out as tadpoles, but as eggs. Thousands   
   >>>>> of species start out as eggs. So do caterpillars.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>      But that does not make them fully formed, and therein lies the   
   >>>>      proof that they are not born fully formed.   
   >>>   
   >>> Actually they are. They didn't start off as a virus or something, and   
   >>> evolve into a caterpillar which then evolved into something else etc,   
   >>> and finally became a butterfly. When God created the caterpillar egg,   
   >>> he had ALL the DNA coded to become eventually a butterfly. Thus it was   
   >>> fully created right from the start. No evolving.   
   >>>   
   >>> Sincerely James   
   >>> Starvation.   
   >>> Why?   
   >>> 8/7/23   
   >>> Go to jw.org   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>      Perhaps God did not create these 2?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> You are right. Just a force (not even a solid thing) with no body or   
   >>>>> mind, figured out DNA  and made each life form with it. You have got   
   >>>>> to have more intelligence than that.   
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   >>>>>>> Evolution takes God out of the picture. No God is needed.   
   >>   
   >>         I cannot agree with this, particularly from the aspect of   
   >>         of evolution as an intelligent tool.   
   >   
   > Where is evolution's intelligence located?   
      
       At it's spiritual center.   
      
      
      
   > Is it alive?   
      
      It would have to be.   
      
      
   >   
   >   
   >> Why would a being   
   >>         that is able to bestow life on inanimate organic materials   
   >>         not also make them intelligent, even in the interests of   
   >>         his works? Even as far as causing them to share a portion   
   >>         of his labors?   
   >   
   > The complexities of the DNA codes in all living things, shows   
   > intelligence built into those life forms.   
   >   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>        I disagree. I await your reply. Oh yes, thank you for another   
   >>>>>>       interesting conversation.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>> No, that is true. They don't need God in the equation. Even Darwin   
   >>>>> challenged his own beliefs, such as the formation of an eye. He said:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> "To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for   
   >>>>> adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different   
   >>>>> amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic   
   >>>>> aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I   
   >>>>> freely confess, absurd in the highest degree." (The Origin of Species,   
   >>>>> by Charles Darwin)   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> So even if the founder of evolution had his doubts, how much should   
   >>>>> we?   
   >>   
   >>     I can agree with that, but I also think and agree with the bible to   
   >>     a limited extent; "James_1:27  Pure religion and undefiled before   
   >> God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their   
   >> affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world."   
   >>   
   >>     This is as far as I go with religion.   
   >   
   > Well, the Bible also shows many other things that Christians should   
   > practice. For example Mt 28:19,20,   
   >   
   > (Matthew 28:19, 20) Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all   
      
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