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   As promised, when Friend james wobbles off the topic for   
   misderection/changing the topic; I will pulll him back; for his own good.   
   We test a jw vatican historical claim: :   
      
   I had a quick look at hthe jw vatican "library".  They claim miricles,   
   including healing stopped with the apostles.  That is a theory easy enough   
   to test, friend james can find this web page.  Hint, the theory fluncks the   
   test of historical witness in the church, read on: 'Miracles Didn't Stop in   
   the First Century - Primary Sources' The early church fathers recorded   
   miracles and Holy Spirit gifts hundreds of years later. What is more, these   
   weren't rare instances...over and over they state that these were happening   
   a lot. In fact, Craig Keener (in his book on Miracles, which is invaluable)   
   states that miracles were a primary evidence that let to the majority of   
   conversions based on what the early church fathers said,   
        "Second and third century Christian apologists depict not only   
   apostolic leaders but also ordinary Christians as miracle workers. Before   
   the 300s exorcisms proved to be a major factor in the spread of   
   Christianity; in the 300s exorcisms and miracles are the most explicit   
   cause of conversions to Christianity mentioned in early Christians   
   sources."   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)