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   From: seaviews7@yahoo.com   
      
   your a heretic liar and full of bull shit lying to the people   
   thru your foul mouth fake religion   
      
   On 8/13/2023 3:30 AM, James scribbled:   
   > On Sat, 12 Aug 2023 10:25:04 -0400, James   
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 31 Jul 2023 22:26:05 GMT, servant wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>> I had a quick look at hthe jw vatican "library".  They claim miricles,   
   >>> including healing stopped with the apostles.  That is a theory easy enough   
   >>> to test, friend james can find this web page.  Hint, the theory fluncks the   
   >>> test of historical witness in the church, read on:   
   >   
   > I already answered this question. Check my past posts to you.   
   >   
   > The miracles such as tongues were to end. And they did in the first   
   > century. Notice AGAIN:   
   >   
   > Such miraculous gifts would therefore pass away with the passing away   
   > of these apostles and of those who had received these gifts through   
   > the apostles (1Co 13:2, 8-11), and thus we read that these powers were   
   > "missing in the 2nd-century church, the writers of those days speaking   
   > of them as a thing in the past-in the apostolic age, in fact."-The   
   > Illustrated Bible Dictionary, edited by J. D. Douglas, 1980, Vol. 1,   
   > p. 79.   
   >   
   > Sincerely James   
   > Killer floods.   
   > Why?   
   > 8/13/23   
   > Go to jw.org   
   >   
   >   
   >>>   
   >>> 'Miracles Didn't Stop in the First Century - Primary Sources'   
   >>>   
   >>> The early church fathers recorded miracles and Holy Spirit gifts hundreds   
   >>> of years later. What is more, these weren't rare instances...over and over   
   >>> they state that these were happening a lot. In fact, Craig Keener (in his   
   >>> book on Miracles, which is invaluable) states that miracles were a primary   
   >>> evidence that let to the majority of conversions based on what the early   
   >>> church fathers said,   
   >>>   
   >>>      "Second and third century Christian apologists depict not only   
   >>> apostolic leaders but also ordinary Christians as miracle workers. Before   
   >>> the 300s exorcisms proved to be a major factor in the spread of   
   >>> Christianity; in the 300s exorcisms and miracles are the most explicit   
   >>> cause of conversions to Christianity mentioned in early Christians   
   >>> sources."   
   >>   
   >> Did you forget the Scripture talking about miraculous occurrences?   
   >>   
   >> -- Revised Standard   
   >> 1 Corinthians 13:8  Love never ends; as for prophecies, they will pass   
   >> away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass   
   >> away.   
   >>   
   >> But it doesn't say when, does it. But this might help:   
   >>   
   >> Even written history shows those special gifts of the Holy Spirit   
   >> absent soon after the 1st century ended. Thus we read that these   
   >> powers were,   
   >>   
   >> "missing in the 2nd-century church, the writers of those days speaking   
   >> of them as a thing in the past-in the apostolic age, in fact." (The   
   >> Illustrated Bible Dictionary, edited by J. D. Douglas, 1980, Vol. 1,   
   >> p. 79.)   
   >>   
   >> Sincerely James   
   >> Killer floods.   
   >> Why?   
   >> 8/12/23   
   >> Go to jw.org   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>   
      
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