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|    Steve Hayes to All    |
|    Rodnovery pagan religion is at the heart    |
|    07 Sep 23 09:54:31    |
      XPost: soc.culture.russian, alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox,       alt.politics.religion       XPost: alt.christnet.religion       From: hayesstw@telkomsa.net              Secret Belief Means Wagner’s Most Dangerous Men Won’t Back Down              ‘SPIRITUAL CRUSADE’              The poorly understood Rodnovery pagan religion is at the heart of       Wagner’s most notorious unit of fighters who want vengeance for their       murdered leaders.              Will McCurdy              Source: The Daily Beast https://t.co/FJoRe3xFL5              All eyes are on the Russian mercenary group Wagner in the aftermath of       a mysterious plane crash that presumably killed the group’s leader,       Yevgeny Prigozhin, and his right-hand man, Dmitry Utkin, last week.       Angry over what many suspect was an assassination plot ordered by       Russian President Vladimir Putin himself, many factions within the       infamous mercenary group are now emerging with shadowy threats of       vengeance and violence.              The “Rusich” Sabotage Assault Reconnaissance Group, a Wagner-linked       unit of fighters that have received additional sanctions for “special       cruelty" in battles in the Kharkiv region in Ukraine, has recently       taken to Telegram to post one such ominous warning. “Let this be a       lesson to all. Always go all the way,” the group said in a statement       after the plane crash.              There’s good reason for Vladimir Putin to take threats from Rusich,       and other like-minded Wagner fighters, seriously.              That’s because behind the headlines, many of the Wagner units most       known for their violence—including the Rusich battalion, and even the       now-deceased commander Dmitry Utkin—are fighting what they believe is       a spiritual battle, taking religious and ideological inspiration from       sources far removed from the Russian mainstream.              These soldiers are shunning Jesus, Mary, and the Russian Orthodox       patriarchs, and instead booking to Gods such as Perun— the ancient       Slavic god of thunder and lightning—for protection and inspiration.              The “Rusich” battalion is formed almost entirely of adherents of a       variant of Slavic neopaganism known as “Rodnovery,” according to       former unit commander Alexei Milchakov’s interviews with local Russian       media. Marat Gabidullin, who served in the Wagner group from 2015 to       2019 and rose to the rank of commander in Syria, also confirmed these       reports to The Daily Beast.              Members of the Rusich group, which has been active in Ukraine’s Donbas       region, Africa, and Syria since 2014, have often adorned their badges,       tanks, and banners with images of what’s known as the ‘kolovrat’. This       spinning wheel—one of the critical symbols of the pagan revivalist       belief system—could be easily mistaken for a swastika by the untrained       eye. Pagan symbols such as the ‘Valknut’ and ‘Black Sun’ have also       frequently appeared on the groups’ uniforms and banners.              These pagan symbols have prompted disgust and confusion in several       news outlets, in both Ukraine and Africa, due to the symbols bearing a       distinct similarity to the SS imagery of Nazi Germany. Outside of the       Rusich unit, these pagan beliefs are common among members of the       Wagner Group, and the Russian military more widely, according to       several sources who spoke to The Daily Beast.              ‘Rodnovers’ practice polytheism, the belief in multiple gods, roughly       seven, all said to be manifestations of the one true god Rod. These       ideas began to take root in the ’90s, when the collapse of the Soviet       Union and state atheism led to a revival of religious faiths of all       kinds, including Christianity.              Men are hugely overrepresented in Rodnovery, particularly those       involved in martial arts clubs and the heavy metal community, where       its imagery often crops up. A core text of Rodnovery, “The Book of       Veles” places the Slavs as a type of chosen people, with a unique       destiny. Though texts like the above have proven likely to be       19th-century forgeries and much of the faith represents guesswork       based on incomplete records from Medieval scholars, that hasn’t       stopped these beliefs from slowly rising in popularity.              There are estimated to be between several 100,000 to several million       Pagans in Russia, divided between different sects with quite diverse       beliefs. The deity that receives the bulk of the attention, at least       among male devotees, is Perun, a deity who in the Book of Veles       engages in constant war against the forces of evil, not unlike the       popular Norse god Thor. The belief in reincarnation is also common       among believers.              Gabidullin, the ex-Wagner soldier, told The Daily Beast the practice       of Rodoverny within the group as merely a type of “fashion hobby” for       a marginalized community of soldiers.              The ex-mercenary says the popularity of these beliefs stems from the       “laziness to study the scientific school of history” and the desire to       find a justification “for self-aggrandizement in the past.” He terms       the vision of the history of Rodverners in Wagner as an: “invented       version with great ancestors and achievements.”              Expressing sympathy with Rodnovery may even get you promoted within       the Wagner Group. A group of anonymous informants, who served in the       Wagner group in Syria, told a Ukrainian publication Radio Liberty in       2018 “it is desirable to be a Rodnover” to progress in the Wagner       group.              Gabidullin, in a previous interview with a Russian language       publication, has alleged that Dimitry Utkin, the group’s recently       deceased commander, has Pagan beliefs of his own, alleging the general       has multiple Rodnovery-inspired tattoos.              The insider also alleged that there was “an ideological department       within the Wagner PMC (private mercenary company),” formed back in       2019 that is promoting the movement, which he derides as merely a       “disguised form of Nazi ideology.”              Denys Brylov, a Ukrainian scholar focused on religion in the Slavic       world, believes that the actual specific religious practices of the       Rodnovers serving in Wagner may come secondary to the wider       ideological component it can provide for soldiers.              Brylov believes that for Wagnerites neo-paganism is attractive due to       its ability to provide a spiritual justification for the “cult of       force”. In these types of fringe, hardline interpretations of pagan       beliefs, the very act of battle or the shedding of blood can be       “considered as an act of sacrifice to the pagan patron deities of       warriors and war.”              That said, Brylov feels that in many cases persons “inclined to       cruelty” may simply gravitate to neo-pagan ideology to justify these       instincts, rather than the beliefs themselves being inherently       warlike.              Rusich commander Alexei Milchakov, for instance, went viral on              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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