XPost: alt.bible, alt.religion.christian.biblestudy, alt.religion.christianity
XPost: alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic
From: none@none.con
On Sep 22, 2023, James wrote
(in article):
> On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 18:11:51 -0700, No one wrote:
>
> > On Sep 20, 2023, James wrote
> > (in article<711ngidapu5miv9ovbdirepht5fjba6qhl@4ax.com>):
> >
> > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 14:52:58 -0700, No one wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sep 20, 2023, James wrote
> > > > (in article):
> > > >
> > > > > You are treating the Bible like any other book. God's word does not
> > > > > change. If sheol was the grave in the OT, it still was in the NT. God
> > > > > does not change"
> > > >
> > > > Pardon me for interrupting your "servant "friend""
> > > >
> > > > But in response to your statement above let me show you and OT
scripture
> > > > that counteracts your words.
> > > >
> > > > “They shall go down to the bars of the pit, when our rest together
is in
> > > > the dust.” (Job 17:16)
> > > >
> > > > (ESV)Will it go down to the bars of Sheol? Shall we descend together
into
> > > > the dust?”
> > > >
> > > > (NKJV)Will they go down to the gates of Sheol? Shall we have rest
together
> > > > in the dust?"
> > > >
> > > > (YLT)To the parts of Sheol ye go down, If together on the dust we may
> > > > rest.
> > > > Do you require more proof that God never contradicts himself?
> > >
> > > Yes, sheol is the grave where people "rest".
> >
> > It is the pit of hell, isolated from the spot where the body is buried.
> >
> > Read the verse again where do you see gates on all burial sites that are in
> > the ground. The dust references the dirt you dig up.
>
> I can only tell you what the Bible says. What you do with it is up to
> you.
But you do not tell us, you try to deceive us with half truths, distortions,
and outright lies.
>
> > Isaiah wrote;
> >
> > “I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most
> > High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.”
> > (Isa 14:14-15)
> >
> > Again the word sheol is translated as Hell, Hades, hell.
>
> That's just what I said.
Really? Didn't you claim it to be the Grave?
>
>
> >
> > 1) sheol, underworld, grave, hell, pit
> >
> > 1a) the underworld
> >
> > 1b) Sheol - the OT designation for the abode of the dead
> >
> > 1b1) place of no return
> >
> > 1b2) without praise of God
> >
> > 1b3) wicked sent there for punishment
> >
> > 1b4) righteous not abandoned to it
> >
> > 1b5) of the place of exile (figuratively)
> >
> > 1b6) of extreme degradation in sin
>
> Yes, sheol is the GRAAVE. That is how the word is translated in other
> Bible versions.
Show me one translation that calls the "pit" a "GRAAVE"?
>
> And I leave you be with these verses from Ezekiel.
> >
> > Eze 32:18-26
> >
> > 18 Son of man, wail for the multitude of Egypt, and cast them down,even
her,
> > and the daughters of the famous nations, unto the nether parts of the
earth,
> > with them that go down into the pit.
> >
> > 19 Whom dost thou pass in beauty? go down, and be thou laid with the
> > uncircumcised.
>
> Yes, he is saying you will go to the grave with the uncircumcised.
He said "that shall go down into the pit." IOW you body will go into a grave,
but you will descend into the "Pit", The holding place of those that are
sinners.
>
> >
> > 20 They shall fall in the midst of them that are slain by the sword: she is
> > delivered to the sword: draw her and all her multitudes.
> >
> > 21 The strong among the mighty shall speak to him out of the midst of hell
> > with them that help him: they are gone down, they lie uncircumcised, slain
> > by the sword.
> >
> > 22 Asshur is there and all her company: his graves are about him: all of
> > them slain, fallen by the sword:
>
> Yes, ": his graves are about him:"
And they go to hell V21
>
> >
> > 23 Whose graves are set in the sides of the pit, and her company is round
> > about her grave: all of them slain, fallen by the sword, which caused
terror
> > in the land of the living.
> >
> > 24 There is Elam and all her multitude round about her grave, all of them
> > slain, fallen by the sword, which are gone down uncircumcised into the
> > nether parts of the earth, which caused their terror in the land of the
living; yet
> > have they borne their shame with them that go down to the pit.
> >
> > 25 They have set her a bed in the midst of the slain with all her
multitude:
> > her graves are round about him: all of them uncircumcised, slain by the
> > sword: though their terror was caused in the land of the living, yet have
> > they borne their shame with them that go down to the pit: he is put in the
> > midst of them that be slain.
> >
> > 26 There is Meshech, Tubal, and all her multitude: her graves are round
> > about
> > him: all of them uncircumcised, slain by the sword, though they caused
their
> > terror in the land of the living.
> >
> > All of these scriptures, the doctrine of God flies in the face of all that
> > are unholy. This is the fate of those that deny that Jesus is God.
>
> It is the BIBLE that shows Jesus is not God. Notice again:
Your statements below are parroted deceptions of the lies of the JW.
Also, If Jesus is not God then why do you use his words as doctrines. Where
are your words of "Jehovah"?
>
>
> Jesus didn't know the day or hour. But only God did.(Mt 24:36)
> Cannot look at God and still live. (Ex 33:20)
> No man has ever seen God; (1 John 4:12)
> Jesus has the same God as we do. (Mt 27:46)
> No one has seen the Father. (John 6:46)
> Jesus said he was the start of God's creations. (Rev 3:14)
> Yes, Jesus was created by God (Col 1:15)
> God is not a three headed freak, but only ONE God. (Deut 6:4)
> God is not a three headed freak, but only ONE God. (Mr 12:29)
> Only God is good. (Mr 10:18)
> Jesus said must worship and serve only God. (Mt 4:10)
> In Heaven, God is the head of Jesus. (1 Cor 11:3)
> Jesus' angel said to "Worship God", not Jesus (Rev 19:10)
Yet the name of Jesus is above ALL names. And when we pray to God the Father
in the Name of Jesus, what we ask of the Father, Jesus does it, that the
Father may be glorified. Ever consider that truth? Jesus is the doorway to
Heaven, He IS the way, the truth, and Life. NO MAN can come unto the Father
but by Him. Not you, nor any JW, likewise for me.
>
>
> Sincerely James
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