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   From: none@none.con   
      
   On Sep 22, 2023, James wrote   
   (in article<41bsgihe97kms9d21vep2ivqtq5sdd5d4e@4ax.com>):   
      
   > On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 07:40:06 -0700, No one  wrote:   
   >   
   > > On Sep 22, 2023, James wrote   
   > > (in article):   
   > >   
   > > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 18:11:51 -0700, No one  wrote:   
   > > >   
   > > > > On Sep 20, 2023, James wrote   
   > > > > (in article<711ngidapu5miv9ovbdirepht5fjba6qhl@4ax.com>):   
   > > > >   
   > > > > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 14:52:58 -0700, No one  wrote:   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > > On Sep 20, 2023, James wrote   
   > > > > > > (in article):   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > You are treating the Bible like any other book. God's word does   
   not   
   > > > > > > > change. If sheol was the grave in the OT, it still was in the   
   NT. God   
   > > > > > > > does not change"   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Pardon me for interrupting your "servant "friend""   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > But in response to your statement above let me show you and OT   
   scripture   
   > > > > > > that counteracts your words.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > “They shall go down to the bars of the pit, when our rest   
   together is   
   > > > > > > in   
   > > > > > > the dust.” (Job 17:16)   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > (ESV)Will it go down to the bars of Sheol? Shall we descend   
   together   
   > > > > > > into   
   > > > > > > the dust?”   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > (NKJV)Will they go down to the gates of Sheol? Shall we have rest   
   > > > > > > together   
   > > > > > > in the dust?"   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > (YLT)To the parts of Sheol ye go down, If together on the dust we   
   may   
   > > > > > > rest.   
   > > > > > > Do you require more proof that God never contradicts himself?   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Yes, sheol is the grave where people "rest".   
   > > > >   
   > > > > It is the pit of hell, isolated from the spot where the body is buried.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Read the verse again where do you see gates on all burial sites that   
   are   
   > > > > in   
   > > > > the ground. The dust references the dirt you dig up.   
   > > >   
   > > > I can only tell you what the Bible says. What you do with it is up to   
   > > > you.   
   > >   
   > > But you do not tell us, you try to deceive us with half truths,   
   distortions,   
   > > and outright lies.   
   >   
   > Please:   
   >   
   > Give me an example of my alleged "half truths"   
   > Give me an example of my alleged "distortions.   
   > Give me an example of my alleged "lies"   
      
   I have given you many. I could give you a thousand more, but with your   
   hardened heart you will choose to hear no better than before.   
      
   Read what the voice of the Heavenly Father has to say about you and all the   
   JW's found in 1 John 4: 1-3   
   >   
   >   
   > > >   
   > > > > Isaiah wrote;   
   > > > >   
   > > > > “I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the   
   most   
   > > > > High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the   
   pit.”   
   > > > > (Isa 14:14-15)   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Again the word sheol is translated as Hell, Hades, hell.   
   > > >   
   > > > That's just what I said.   
   > >   
   > > Really? Didn't you claim it to be the Grave?   
   >   
   > Yes, it is all of those things: grave= hell=hades.   
   >   
   > >   
   > > >   
   > > >   
   > > > >   
   > > > > 1) sheol, underworld, grave, hell, pit   
   > > > >   
   > > > > 1a) the underworld   
   > > > >   
   > > > > 1b) Sheol - the OT designation for the abode of the dead   
   > > > >   
   > > > > 1b1) place of no return   
   > > > >   
   > > > > 1b2) without praise of God   
   > > > >   
   > > > > 1b3) wicked sent there for punishment   
   > > > >   
   > > > > 1b4) righteous not abandoned to it   
   > > > >   
   > > > > 1b5) of the place of exile (figuratively)   
   > > > >   
   > > > > 1b6) of extreme degradation in sin   
   > > >   
   > > > Yes, sheol is the GRAAVE. That is how the word is translated in other   
   > > > Bible versions.   
   > >   
   > > Show me one translation that calls the "pit" a "GRAAVE"?   
   >   
   > OT:   
   >   
   > Most happy to. I will show you a comparison for hell and grave and   
   > sheol in the OT and NT:   
   >   
   > -- American Standard   
   > Genesis 37:35 And all his sons and all his daughters rose up to   
   > comfort him; but he refused to be comforted; and he said, For I will   
   > go down to Sheol to my son mourning. And his father wept for him.   
   >   
   > -- New King James   
   > Genesis 37:35 And all his sons and all his daughters arose to comfort   
   > him; but he refused to be comforted, and he said, "For I shall go down   
   > into the grave [Sheol ] to my son in mourning.'' Thus his father wept   
   > for him.   
   >   
   > DRA   
   > And all his children being gathered together to comfort their father   
   > in his sorrow, he would not receive comfort, but said: I will go down   
   > to my son into hell [Sheol ], mourning. And whilst he continued   
   > weeping,   
   >   
   > NT:   
   >   
   > -- King James   
   > Luke 10:15 And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted to heaven, shalt be   
   > thrust down to hell.   
   >   
   > -- New King James   
   > Luke 10:15 "And you, Capernaum, who are exalted to heaven, will be   
   > thrust down to Hades.   
   >   
   > -- International English   
   > Matthew 27:61 Mary (the one from Magdala) and the other Mary were   
   > there. They were sitting in front of the grave.   
   >   
   > > >   
   > > > And I leave you be with these verses from Ezekiel.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Eze 32:18-26   
   > > > >   
   > > > > 18 Son of man, wail for the multitude of Egypt, and cast them down,even   
   > > > > her,   
   > > > > and the daughters of the famous nations, unto the nether parts of the   
   > > > > earth,   
   > > > > with them that go down into the pit.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > 19 Whom dost thou pass in beauty? go down, and be thou laid with the   
   > > > > uncircumcised.   
   > > >   
   > > > Yes, he is saying you will go to the grave with the uncircumcised.   
   > >   
   > > He said "that shall go down into the pit." IOW you body will go into a   
   > > grave,   
   > > but you will descend into the "Pit", The holding place of those that are   
   > > sinners.   
   >   
   > Scriptures please.   
   >   
   > > >   
   > > > >   
   > > > > 20 They shall fall in the midst of them that are slain by the sword:   
   she   
   > > > > is   
   > > > > delivered to the sword: draw her and all her multitudes.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > 21 The strong among the mighty shall speak to him out of the midst of   
   hell   
   > > > > with them that help him: they are gone down, they lie uncircumcised,   
   slain   
   > > > > by the sword.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > 22 Asshur is there and all her company: his graves are about him: all   
   of   
   > > > > them slain, fallen by the sword:   
   > > >   
   > > > Yes, ": his graves are about him:"   
   > >   
   > > And they go to hell V21   
   > > >   
   > > > >   
   > > > > 23 Whose graves are set in the sides of the pit, and her company is   
   round   
   > > > > about her grave: all of them slain, fallen by the sword, which caused   
   > > > > terror   
   > > > > in the land of the living.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > 24 There is Elam and all her multitude round about her grave, all of   
   them   
   > > > > slain, fallen by the sword, which are gone down uncircumcised into the   
      
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