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   From: michaelmclean2021@outlook.com   
      
   On 28/09/2023 11:39 pm, Rod wrote:   
   > On 9/18/2023 3:13 PM, James wrote:   
   >> Still believe in hellfire?   
   >>   
   >> Many Bibles translate the OT word "sheol" as hell.(or  just leave it   
   >> as "sheol") And it talks about people dying and going to sheol. So   
   >> what is sheol?   
   >>   
   >> "What the Tanakh does make it clear, is that Sheol is not the place   
   >> where evil people go. It’is just the place where everyone goes.   
   >> Everyone dies and goes down to Sheol… even the patriarch Jacob knew he   
   >> would go there, eventually. Here was his response after he heard that   
   >> his son Joseph had died (although really, he had not):   
   >>   
   >> Genesis 37:34-35   
   >>   
   >> "So Jacob tore his clothes, and put sackcloth on his loins and mourned   
   >> for his son many days. Then all his sons and all his daughters arose   
   >> to comfort him, but he refused to be comforted. And he said, “Surely I   
   >> will go down to Sheol in mourning for my son.” So his father wept for   
   >> him."   
   >>   
   >> For Jacob this was not a heaven or hell debate… it was merely saying   
   >> that the loss of his son would kill him; it would put him in his   
   >> grave, (not send him to hell). "   
   >> https://hebrewwordlessons.com/2019/10/27/sheol-the-grave-gehenna-hades-hell/   
   >>   
   >> Thus sheol is the grave   
   >> Thus hell is the grave.   
   >>   
   >> You have been lied to by the churches long enough. Accept the Bible   
   >> truth that hell is the GRAVE.Your God is not a sadist that tortures   
   >> forever His disobedient children. He really is a God of love. (1 John   
   >> 4:8)   
   >>   
   >> Sincerely James   
   >> Can your part   
   >> of the earth survive?   
   >> 9/18/23   
   >> Go to jw.org   
   >   
   >   
   >    I agree with you James. Hell is a heinous lie created by Christianity   
   >    and has effected nearly every person on earth in a very negative way.   
   >   
   >    For myself & my family I'd like to see the skin flayed off of every   
   > last christian that has perpetrated this lie and even then that might   
   > not be enough to satisfy my anger.   
   >   
   >    I said before that burning someone in hell for eternity isn't just   
   >    but the unjust insist that it is just. Their insistence that it is   
   > just reveals the wickedness hiding deep in their own hearts.   
   >   
   >   
   >    So question for them; Why would you assume that you can scare people   
   >    into the worship of a God wicked enough to send someone to eternal   
   >    suffering?   
      
   Not a question for me, however, some things to consider.   
      
   1) Always remember that God is God, and whatever He does will always be   
   good.  You may not realise that at the time, but nevertheless.  We have   
   been given life in the first place and the world around us testifies to   
   that, so enough said.   
      
   2) The Lord Jesus died for the sins of all mankind.  So, no-one is left out.   
      
   3) The only question that remains is what part of the new kingdom to   
   come will a person be a part of?  Being married to God, or being outside   
   the holy of holies.   
      
   4) In this life we get to choose.   
      
   5) Do worry about infant deaths, early deaths, and a myriad of other   
   details, God has all that in hand; He's God.   
      
      
      
      
      
      
   Michael Christ   
      
   --   
   Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.   
      
   Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were   
   YET sinners, Christ died for us.   
      
   Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it   
   is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.   
      
   Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt   
   are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.   
      
   Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that   
   hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.   
      
   "To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."   
      
   "If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."   
      
   "What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."   
      
   "All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving   
   God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,   
   sin is not what you do; it is what you are."   
      
   "Compromise will condemn you."   
      
   "There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."   
      
   "My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."   
      
   "You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to   
   know that?"   
      
   "The way of truth is the testimony of life."   
      
   "I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall   
   where God intends."   
      
   "Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."   
      
   "You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all   
   live, by faith."   
      
   "It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."   
      
   "Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look   
   ahead."   
      
   "You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."   
      
   "Priority is everything."   
      
   "The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."   
      
   "There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander   
   it or to place it where it truly belongs."   
      
   "An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."   
      
   "Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to   
   an ignorant straw man."   
      
   "Wait, rest, be still, and know."   
      
   "No man can wash his own hands!!!"   
      
   "I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,   
   and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."   
      
   The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the   
   obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"   
      
   "The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."   
      
   "Man is not the centre of being."   
      
   "Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."   
      
   "And then the Lord said, "I see everything."   
      
   "Man has no greater idol than his own will."   
      
   "Where is God hiding? He isn't."   
      
   "If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."   
      
   "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's   
   willingness to believe."   
      
   "Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,   
   and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."   
      
   "The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always   
   full of hope."   
      
   "The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass   
   through it so that you could play God."   
      
   "A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."   
      
   "No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such   
   is the love of God."   
      
   "The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit   
   pretending he is the meaning of life."   
      
      
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